Talk:Ulverston/Archive 1

Archive 1

Bill Haley or his mum

I can't find any evidence that Rock and Roll music legend Bill Haley way born in the town, therefore I've removed this claim.--JBellis 20:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

I think you mis read the claim - it was his mother that the article mentioned. That said, I don't know if that's true either Robdurbar 20:37, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

acutally, a quick google search reveals this claim repeated quite a lot, so ill put it back in Robdurbar 20:38, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Population statistic

I wish to query the statistic that the population of Ulverston is 16,000: according to an article in a local newspaper, The Westmorland Gazette from less than 2 years ago, the then mayor, Norman Bishop-Rowe, was quoted as saying that "the population of Ulverston may only be just over 12,500". --Quizman1967 09:21, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

11,210 per 2001 census. Lancsalot 09:24, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

History: Para 1

I have replaced this paragraph as it does not cite its sources. As far as I can tell it's mostly spurious:

It is thought that the name of the town originates from the Old Norse meaning Ulfer's stone. It has been suggested that it was one of the first west of England Viking settlements settled directly from the Viking homelands rather than from their spread east to west. Popular legend suggests that the name of the town is derived from the fact that the last wolf in England was killed nearby.[2]

• I have never come across this explanation for Ulverston's name in reliable sources
• Who suggested this was a direct Viking settlement? Professional opinion tends to suggest that Cumbrian Vikings were second or third generation Hiberno-Norse settlers. As far as I know the Danes from the east never spread this far anyway.
• Has anyone heard this legend locally? The last wolf in England was supposedly killed on Humphrey Head about 7 miles away, but centuries after the name was first recorded.

Yes I have heard it. Can't remeember exactly when I heard it or who told me though. TheTrojanHought 12:01, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

• The source given here mentions none of the information in this paragraph —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.151.44.90 (talk) 21:08, 3 November 2007 (UTC)

Notable Persons

Harry Christian VC has been added to the notable persons section but I believe he was born in Pennington which has its own entry page on which he has already been added. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Russhayley (talk • contribs) 15:35, 10 August 2009 (UTC)

Stan Laurel

Surely it ought to be mentioned that Stan Laurel of Laurel and Hardy fame was born in Ulverston. He must be Ulverston's most famous son surely? TheTrojanHought 12:03, 7 November 2007 (UTC)

Also, the picture of the Laurel and Hardy museum is out of date. The museum has relocatedTylexman (talk) 19:49, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Naming conventions

In what way does this edit and especially this edit help to bring the article in line with the naming conventions? The conventions offer no opinion on whether 'historic borders' or 'traditional borders' is preferred, although it only offers examples of the latter. Morwen - Talk 11:46, 5 October 2006 (UTC)

It probably makes very little difference whether 'historic' or 'traditional' is used. In terms of Wikipedia convention, it appears that 'historic' is the most normal term - Historic counties of England and Westmorlandbeing an example. Westmorland is referred to as 'Historic county of Westmorland', so that usage probably makes most sense. 'Traditional' would probably refer more to the usage of the term with reference to the area. Kendal is traditionally refered to as being in Westmorland for example. While some Ulvestonians may think the same true of Ulverston and its relationship with Lancashire, I would suggest it's probably much less pronounced, and certainly not a tradition. All in all, it doesn't really matter though. Neilajh 19:22, 10 October 2006 (UTC)

I get the impression from published documents (eg http://www.oldtowns.co.uk/Lancashire/ulverstone.htm) that Ulverstone was the spelling adopted in those times. Indeed there was an Ulverstone Bank and many more former colonial namesakes have the e. Probably not worth a place in the article but can rest here for info. Tylexman (talk) 20:32, 10 July 2013 (UTC)

Thomas Grey

Why is Thomas Grey labelled as being the village idiot?

Perhaps the editor made a mistake.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 08:57, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Canal

Ownership

Surely the canal has been owned by Glaxo, who could use it as an emergency reservoir, but I don't think they ever have, and not the town council since about 1975? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 172.212.140.36 (talk) 23:37, 8 November 2007 (UTC)

Shortest, deepest, widest?

Can anyone back up any of these claims? Wardle canal is certainly shorter - the other claims also seem suspect. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.41.58.48 (talk) 13:18, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, sometime in the last >11 years someone agreed with you and, quite rightly, removed those claims. There is similar stuff at Ulverston Canal where currently it is kind of arguing with itself ("no, it is not a banana") but will not be for much longer I rather think. DBaK (talk) 12:01, 23 December 2020 (UTC)

Tidy up

Apologies for clogging up the edits, however this was a very messy wikipage that needed to be tidied up.

The notable people section has dupilcates + still needs to be tidied up.

Festival town section needs the unsourced festivals to be removed.

--Devokewater (talk) 14:17, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Festival section updated. --Devokewater (talk) 14:28, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

This is all a very good job – well done! DBaK (talk) 22:09, 7 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks DBaK (talk) --Devokewater (talk) 22:12, 7 January 2021 (UTC)