Talk:Ulung Sitepu

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 02:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that the Governor of North Sumatra, Ulung Sitepu, donated 2,400 bottles of passion fruit drinks for the Games of the New Emerging Forces? Source: Dahlan, Budiman M. (2016), Ganefo: Olimpiade Kiri di Indonesia, p. 51

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Created by Jeromi Mikhael (talk). Self-nominated at 07:43, 5 October 2020 (UTC).

Article created today, new enough, long enough, hook is interesting, QPQ done. No image used. Please note this is my first time reviewing a DYK so a second opinion is requested. Best, 19jshi (talk) 15:10, 5 October 2020 (UTC)

Giving a second opinion here. The article feels incomplete as there is no information given about his early life or about his life after his sentence was commuted. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 14:34, 13 October 2020 (UTC)

Giving this an appropriate tick. On the other hand, no close paraphrasing was found. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:26, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: There isn't. There's a video on Youtube that shows him celebrating his 50th wedding anniversary in 1992 in Karo, his place of origin. Unlike other governors in the list of governors of North Sumatra, this guy is just lacking information. There's this book which shows his birthdate, but then again, I'm not quite sure.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 14:20, 14 October 2020 (UTC)

In that case the article may still need to be copyedited and the DoB be added to the article (assuming the book is reliable). Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 01:19, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Well, my main concern about the book is that the book is a primary source, it's a directory of books from a library in USA. And for the copyediting part, what is the main problem? Is it grammar or spelling or something else? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 14:08, 17 October 2020 (UTC)

For starters, the article sections could probably be renamed, "As the X" sounds weird as an example. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 09:11, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Done Section header fixed. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 10:03, 18 October 2020 (UTC)

As for the DoB and the book you mentioned, it depends on what context it's mentioned in in the book. If you can't find a better source, maybe it could be left out. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:19, 19 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Not sure Do you mean keeping the DoB, or leaving it empty?

Ideally the DOB (and DOD if applicable) should be mentioned in the article if it can be verified. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 03:27, 20 October 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Done DoB added.

In light of the recent article I made, I proposed a new double hook.

ALT1: ... that Ulung Sitepu was inaugurated as the Governor of North Sumatra although he lost the election for the office?

Pinging @19jshi and Narutolovehinata5: as reviewer. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 04:52, 25 October 2020 (UTC)

ALT1 sounds good and much better than the original hook. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 02:46, 3 November 2020 (UTC)

• The 1963 election article meets DYK requirements and the hook fact is cited inline. Assuming good faith for offline or Indonesian sources. Just two issues: no explanation as to why Sitepu was inaugurated despite losing the vote? In addition, an additional QPQ needs to be provided. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:25, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Yep. No explanation about that. The article was written during the New Order era, so it is like you-know-why for the readers. Had Wikipedia allow OR, I would've add it was because the increasing power of the leftists inside the central government. And for QPQ, wait. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 11:28, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

@Narutolovehinata5: Done. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 10:43, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

• @Narutolovehinata5: can this nomination be passed now? Otherwise, the nominator has retired from Wikipedia. Yoninah (talk) 20:11, 22 November 2020 (UTC)

I'm willing to pass this nomination, I just have some reservations on doing so due to the missing information about the context of the inauguration (which seems like an important fact). It may be best to ask for a second opinion on this. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 00:25, 23 November 2020 (UTC)

Having read both articles, I think they are problematic, in that a number of statements and explanations are unclear and the prose has issues as well. Given that Jeromi Mikhael has retired, this should probably be closed, not passed. A significant amount of work would need to be done. BlueMoonset (talk) 07:03, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

Hey, sorry for interupting, I break my retirement for resolving this. Could you try the main hook instead of the ALT1? Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 15:34, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

• I agree that Ulung Sitepu is more ready for the main page and I edited the prose. ALT0 is also a good hook, but I would tweak it this way:
• ALT0a: ... that as governor of North Sumatra, Ulung Sitepu donated 2,400 bottles of passion fruit drinks for the inaugural Games of the New Emerging Forces?
• Ulung Sitepu is new enough, long enough, neutrally written, well referenced. As refs are foreign-language, unable to check for close paraphrasing. ALT0a hook ref AGF and cited inline. Image is fair use. QPQ done. ALT0a good to go. Yoninah (talk) 16:59, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

• ALT0a good, thank you Yoninah. Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 00:22, 2 December 2020 (UTC)