Template:Did you know nominations/Humcha Jain temples

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The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 19:43, 19 December 2020 (UTC)

Humcha Jain temples

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Panchkuta Basadi, Humcha

~~... that Humcha Jain temples creator Jinadatta, the founder of Santara dynasty, carried the idol from Mathura (North India) to Humcha (South India) on his back?~~ Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=loQkEIf8z5wC&pg=PA39
ALT0a: ... that Humcha Jain temples with main idol carried by Jinadatta, the founder of Santara dynasty, from Mathura (North India) to Humcha (South India) on his back? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=loQkEIf8z5wC&pg=PA39
- ALT1: ~~... that Humcha Jain temples has one of the eleven surviving seats of the original 36 Bhattaraka seats?~~ Source: https://books.google.com/books?
- ALT1a: ... that Humcha Jain temples has one of the eleven surviving Bhattaraka seats (head of Digambara Jain institutions) of the original 36 seats? Source: https://books.google.com/books?id=loQkEIf8z5wC&pg=PA39
- ALT2: ~~... that Humcha Jain temples is a great Jain centre built in the 7th century?~~ https://books.google.co.in/books?id=z9tQAQAAIAAJ&pg=PA37
- ALT2a: ... that Humcha Jain temples are a group of temples, built in 7th century and are regarded as one of the major Jain centres of Karnataka?

Created by Pratyk321 (talk). Self-nominated at 19:57, 3 November 2020 (UTC).

Hello Reviewer, Thanks a lot for helping me with this article. Please feel free to comment for any change necessary to the article. FYI: I have requested help with copyedit on Wikipedia:WikiProject Guild of Copy Editors - Thanks and regards Pratyk321 (talk)

Prose size enough (5377 characters (861 words)), created 1 day before nomination, hook short enough, content interesting, QPQ not required.Regards, Jeromi Mikhael ^(marhata) 10:41, 15 November 2020 (UTC)

Sorry, but all these hooks need copyediting for English grammar, and so does the article. The whole lead is not subscribing to English grammar: The Humcha Jain temples or Humcha basadis are a group Jain temples in the Humcha, Shimoga district in Karnataka, India. Constructed from 7th century during the reign of the Santara dynasty, Humcha is one of the great Jain centers of Karnataka, noted for their elaborate architecture. A quick glance at the body shows the second sentence also has problems: Jinadatta, of Solar dynasty, a royal prince of Mathura, flee from his home city in the north due to family reasons., and I'm sure there's more. Please apply at WP:GOCE for a copyedit. Yoninah (talk) 15:47, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah, Thanks a lot. I have requested for help on WP:GOCE on 3rd November 2020. I'll ping you once the issues with this article get resolved. Thanks and regards - Pratyk321 (talk)
@Yoninah: It seems copyedit is completed. See the latest revision. — Amkgp 💬 17:29, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Great, the copyedit has been completed and the article is now readable. But the hooks need more work. The ALT0 hook gives no context to what you're talking about. ALT1 does not explain what a "seat" is. ALT2 is not a hook, but a statement. Can you think of a different hook angle? I could help with suggestions if you'd like. Yoninah (talk) 20:44, 8 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah (talk), Thanks for writing back. I have added to context to ALT1 "seat". Could you please help me with ALT0 & ALT2 hooks? Thanks Pratyk321 (talk)

@Pratyk321: Please don't overwrite the hooks. It makes it impossible to follow the discussion. I restored the thread and renumbered your new hooks. Yoninah (talk) 11:54, 9 December 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah:, thanks I'll keep this in mind. Could you please review review the hooks and please help me with more suitable ALT0a & ALT2a hooks? Thanks in advance Pratyk321 (talk)

Here is a suggestion using the image:
ALT3: ... that the Panchkuta basadi (pictured) in the Humcha Jain temple complex houses a golden-coloured idol of Padmavati carrying a lotus, a goad, and a noose? Yoninah (talk) 22:36, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Cropped image for DYK:

Panchkuta basadi, Humcha

Yoninah (talk) 22:43, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah (talk), thanks for the suggestion. It looks good. However, I feel ALT0a & ALT1a could add a interesting backstory and importance perceptive respectively to the article. Please let me know your thoughts on this? Regards Pratyk321 (talk)

@Yoninah and Pratyk321: How about this below? I tried to compose both of your ideas into one and the hook is of length 199 words. — Amkgp 💬 06:24, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

ALT4:... that the Panchkuta basadi (pictured) in the Humcha Jain temple complex houses a golden-coloured idol of Padmavati carrying a lotus, a goad, and a noose is one of the eleven surviving Bhattaraka seats?

Thank you for the suggestion, Amkgp, but there are too many facts in that hook. I'd also like to note that all these Indian words will not be recognizable by our English-speaking audience. ALT0a is telling a story without any context; it also needs grammatical help. If Pratyk321 wants to go with ALT1a, that's fine, but it also is very geocentric and probably won't be of interest to most readers. Yoninah (talk) 11:31, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Oh, we don't put parenthetical explanations in hooks when something is already linked. So we would write:
ALT1b: ... that Humcha Jain temples has one of the eleven surviving Bhattaraka seats of the original 36 seats?
But again, for someone who doesn't know what you're talking about, this is not interesting. Yoninah (talk) 11:34, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

Hi Yoninah (talk), I agree Bhattaraka seats is relatively unknown; ALT1a is geocentric and providing full context would be an overkill. Let's proceed with ALT3. Thanks and regards - Pratyk321 (talk)

for ALT3 with the image. — Amkgp 💬 18:26, 11 December 2020 (UTC)

@Yoninah: and @Amkgp: Thanks for reviewing the article. - Pratyk321 (talk)