Talk:Udûn (The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power)

This is the talk page for discussing improvements to the Udûn (The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power) article.
This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject.

Put new text under old text. Click here to start a new topic.
New to Wikipedia? Welcome! Learn to edit; get help.

Article policies

Find sources: Google (books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL

Middle-earth Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Middle-earth, which aims to build an encyclopedic guide to J. R. R. Tolkien, his legendarium, and related topics. Please visit the project talk page for suggestions and ideas on how you can improve this and other articles.Middle-earthWikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earthTemplate:WikiProject Middle-earthTolkien articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
Note: Though it states in the Guide to writing better articles that generally fictional articles should be written in present tense, all Tolkien legendarium-related articles that cover in-universe material before the current action must be written in past tense. Please see Wikipedia:WikiProject Middle-earth/Standards for more information about this and other article standards.

Television: Episode coverage Low‑importance

	Television portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Television, a collaborative effort to develop and improve Wikipedia articles about television programs. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page where you can join the discussion. To improve this article, please refer to the style guidelines for the type of work.TelevisionWikipedia:WikiProject TelevisionTemplate:WikiProject Televisiontelevision articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	This article is supported by the Episode coverage task force (assessed as Low-importance).

United States: Television Low‑importance

	United States portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject United States, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of topics relating to the United States of America on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the ongoing discussions. Template Usage Articles Requested! Become a Member Project Talk Alerts United StatesWikipedia:WikiProject United StatesTemplate:WikiProject United StatesUnited States articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.
	Television portal This article is supported by American television task force (assessed as Low-importance).

New Zealand Low‑importance

	New Zealand portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject New Zealand, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of New Zealand and New Zealand-related topics on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.New ZealandWikipedia:WikiProject New ZealandTemplate:WikiProject New ZealandNew Zealand articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

On 8 August 2024, it was proposed that this article be moved from Udûn to Udûn (The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power). The result of the discussion was moved.

Requested move 8 August 2024

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Cremastra (talk) 20:05, 29 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Udûn → Udûn (The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power) – There were some undiscussed moves that led to the television episode ending up at this title and there are some who feel that this title should go to Udun or even Udûn, Mordor. This move was suggested again at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Middle-earth#The Lord of the Rings: The Rings of Power episodes based on consistency with the other episode articles for this series. I was hesitant as I felt that was not a good reason and there was no technical need for the added disambiguation, but I have come to see the value here. - adamstom97 (talk) 11:48, 8 August 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans 19:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - This is the primary topic for the term, as the geographical features only receive passing mention in the subsections they redirect to. Adding unecessary parenthetical disambiguation just for consistency with other titles is not consistent with the WP:AT policy.--Trystan (talk) 15:12, 8 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Adding extra stuff to the title just for consistency seems pointless. Waqar💬 17:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

-Oppose No disambiguating needed , not enough people searching for Udûn area AlexBobCharles (talk) 18:47, 10 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Not for consistency but because the geographical features (after one of which this episode is named) are just as notable. Move Udun to Udûn, the correct title. -- Necrothesp (talk) 14:23, 13 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisting comment: There is currently no consensus at this point. Relisting for further input. Reading Beans 19:54, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Note: WikiProject Television/Episode coverage task force, WikiProject Middle-earth, WikiProject United States, WikiProject Television/American television task force, New Zealand Wikipedians' notice board, and WikiProject Television have been notified of this discussion. Reading Beans 19:56, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support. It seems ludicrous to suggest that episode S01E06, of a TV spin-off, of a big-screen adaptation, of a seventy-year-old epic fantasy novel with over 150 million copies sold, is the 'primary topic'. TV episodes are named in the context of the series they are part of; encyclopedia articles are named in the far vaster context of all human knowledge, experience and creativity. I presume that the episode is named after one or other of the Udûns listed in Udûn (disambiguation), unless the writers claim the name is an original invention? The article provides no information about the relevance of the title. -- Verbarson ^talk_edits 21:59, 17 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support I'm inclined to agree with Verbarson's reasoning here.★Trekker (talk) 12:56, 18 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I would expect the location to be the primary topic? --Spekkios (talk) 06:37, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Support Per Verbarson. AlexBobCharles (talk) 06:57, 19 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.