Talk:USS Coronado (AGF-11)/Archive 1

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The page makes no mention of the Coronado's role at COMTHIRDFLT Command Ship in the 1990s.

Women at Sea: I need to do some research. I'm sure I can find documentation that Coronado was the first COMBATANT to embark women as part of her regular, full-time crew. I know it's true because I was there.WaxonWaxov (talk) 21:19, 6 December 2010 (UTC)

Launch versus commission dates

How is the best way to deal with an instance like this (in the lead) with the possible move to launch dates? The ship was launched 1 July 1966 but was not commissioned until 23 May 1970. Concerning the two the history states "After two years of labor shortages and a 12-month strike" (three years) but there is only like 38 days from being 4 years difference. Any mention of one, without the other, will leave a void. Otr500 (talk) 02:35, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Commission dates are not suitable. Ships are often commissioned, decommissioned and recommissioned. In official use even one going into long yard periods for conversion may be out of commission and thus not "USS" during that period. Regardless of how complete or incomplete at the time, how long till completion, or other events the first contact with water, usually quite ceremonial even for minor naval vessels, is a singular event. In other cases the ship may have a long "career" before Navy commissioning. For an example of the problem in practice, and a major DANFS blunder, see Talk:USS Wasp (1893). The purpose of disambiguation is to have one key that applies only to that ship. There are a few commercial cases of two ships with the same name being launched in the same year somewhere in the world. In navy use, worldwide, that is prevented by naval control of names. No navy allows multiple ships to bear the exact name of another. The U.S.N. has, upon taking in say a Coast Guard vessel with a prominent name, renamed one of its own vessels to avoid name conflict. Palmeira (talk) 21:59, 14 September 2015 (UTC)

Hello again, thanks for the reply. I was not referencing the title name but an instance of confusion of math and the chronological order. I was working off references and did not see the launch date. I added this and we can add reference later.

Concerning the title though; Does all DANFS references show a launch date? Otr500 (talk) 19:48, 15 September 2015 (UTC)

Nicknames

I've found references to AGF-11 having also been known as 'The Great White Beast of the Middle East,' and 'The Great White Ghost of the Arabian Coast' from at least two different sources: http://navyvets.com/group/persiangulfcruises?commentId=1518752%3AComment%3A51384 has a mention of the nicknames by by John Love on March 26, 2010, and a correspondent of mine from a military fiction group indicated knowing the ship by the 'Beast' nickname and as 'The Death Star' during President Reagan's time in office. Anyone else ever here of these nicknames? DocKrin (talk) 21:15, 7 June 2017 (UTC)

The link you provide is a to an internet discussion group and that is not a reliable source (per Wikipedia:SOURCE). I've also heard "Ivory Beast of the Middle East." It's important to remember that the Coronado was only in the Middle East (and painted white) for a relatively short period of time during her career. During my tenure (1991-1996) she was usually called "Building 11" because we actually got underway so rarely. There was a three year period during my time when we were never underway on a Saturday or Sunday... really. As for your correspondent, he doesn't seem like a good reference because "Deathstar" didn't come along until modifications made to the ship in 1996 (eight years after the Reagan administration).  Eric Cable  !  Talk  13:43, 8 June 2017 (UTC)

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