Talk:USS Cimarron (AO-22)

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• Biogeographic placename entemology (Cimarron) -- Cimarron a/k/a Los Cimarrones (The Maroons) may refer to Seminole Tribe (Indigenous Nation) removed from Florida.-StoryTrek (talk) 22:01, 1 June 2017 (UTC)
• See also (Excerpt) -- W. W. Behrens, Jr. - US Naval Academy Midshipman. He may have influenced fleet oiler naming protocol with CNO William D. Leahy, whose wife sponsored Cimarron.-StoryTrek (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC) StoryTrek (talk) 22:05, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

StoryTrek, Hi, thanks so much for jumping in with ideas! I am not sure what you would like to have done with this information. It seems to be that the first bit about Cimarron is what would go in a WP:Disambiguation page, like Cimarron.

See also doesn't quite seem appropropriate for a link to W. W. Behrens, Jr., because I see no mention of the Cimarron there. Are you saying that content should be added there, and then either add some content here or a See also section?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:53, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

As Cimarron's Gunnery & Public Affairs Officer (1967-68), I realized Behrens (Jr.) cited above was the son of CIM's first CO who was selected by CNO Leahey to guide both ship construction & commissioning. Because of its Philmont Scout Ranch proximity, the renamed "La Flecha" (Cimarron-Canadian River) became the indigenous nation's heritage after which this class of ship's was named.

Sources of background information include: Two Lectures: Transformation and Innovation - Defense Technical ... http://www.dtic.mil/get-tr-doc/pdf?AD=ADA423507 by W Murray - ‎2002 - ‎Cited by 4 - ‎Related articles takes a broader look at military innovation in this period by examining the .... Murray and Allan R. Millett, Military Innovation in the Interwar Period ...... example, as early as 1921, war games suggested that underway replenishment would ...

StoryTrek (talk) 01:23, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

DTIC-PDF Excerpt (p.15) For example, as early as 1921, war games suggested that underway replenishment would be an essential element in a campaign across the Pacific. However, throughout most of the interwar period, there was simply not the funding to work out the possibilities. Of the greatest importance was that the habits of mind created at Newport (R.I.) carried on into the conduct of war. StoryTrek (talk) 01:28, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

StoryTrek I am not quite getting the tie between the comments that you first made and this info.

In the short run, the article needs footnotes for the only source that is listed. Then, see what is uncited - to then identify where new sources are needed. I can start working on that.–CaroleHenson (talk) 11:23, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

StoryTrek, I am sorry, I am still not getting what you're saying - which could be all me.

I've finished working on the citations for the article and have found that the ship may have been named after either of the Cimarron Rivers (tributary of Arkansas River or Canadian River), so I stated it that way in the infobox. Even from the way that the donation of the ship's bell to the Cimarron High School was worded, I wouldn't say that it's clear the original intent in the naming of the ship.

I'm not understanding the next points and couldn't find Cimarron in the document you mentioned. What specific pdf page (# of 92) is it on? Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:37, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Source

I cannot find a reliable source for:

• Her service ended abruptly after being side-swiped by the USS Hornet during an underway replenishment port-side approach along the San Diego, California, coastline in September 1968.

I tried combing through the 1968 newspapers and could not find anything - nor could I find anything through other searches. Does anyone know where there is a good source for this?–CaroleHenson (talk) 00:06, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

Reliable source; Would a copy of my 1-Oct-1968 USS Cimarron (AO-22) Permanent Change of Station (PCS) Orders qualify me as a reliable on scene source?

CAPT Ted Farrell, USN was CIM's Commanding Officer; and, he did not task me as collateral duty Public Affairs Officer (PAO) to submit any news release.

There were no injuries or lives lost making this a newsworthy regional event. Ship's logs and ComFirstFlt Board of Inquiry records may be archived with Naval Heritage and History Command (NHHC)

StoryTrek (talk) 00:28, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Aerial photos showing the undamaged port side of USS Hornet (CVS-12): http://www.navsource.org/archives/02/12a.htm#021282

Traced history of USS Hornet's Navigator & Executive Officer (XO) ...

CDR. CHRIS W. LAMB To USS HORNET Lamb Assigned Aboard Hornet

Commander Chris W. Lamb of 91 E. Emerson St., Chula Vista, has been assigned to the carrier Hornet as navigator.

Lamb leaves the position of commanding officer of Fleet Composite Squadron Three, following (the) change of command ceremonies held Friday at North Island Naval Air Station. - He was relieved by Cmdr. Michael A. Patten. A native of Ohio, Lamb is a 1949 graduate of the Naval Academy.

Source: https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/116306788/

StoryTrek (talk) 02:10, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

USS Hornet (CVS-12) Deployment Dates: 30 Sep 1968 – 13 May 1969

https://www.history.navy.mil/research/library/online-reading-room/title-list-alphabetically/c/carrier-deployments-during-the-vietnam-conflict.html

Source: Hornet WestPac Cruise Report for above dates.

In-port, Yokosuka, Japan 26 Oct 1968 – 28 Oct 1968

In-port, Hong Kong 22 Nov 1968 – 27 Nov 1968

In-port, Sasebo, Japan 23 Dec 1968 – 2 Jan 1969

In-port, Subic Bay 27 Jan 1969 – 4 Feb 1969

In-port, Singapore 24 Feb 1969 – 4 Mar 1969

In-port, Subic Bay 24 Mar 1969 – 31 Mar 1969

In-port, Yokosuka, Japan 29 Apr 1969 – 1 May 1969

Typical UNderway REPplenhment (UNREP) formation after completing course & speed alignment with guide ship (Fast Fleet Oiler in center)

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:USS_Marias_(AO-57)_refueling_USS_Wasp_(CVS-18)_and_USS_Forrest_Sherman_(DD-931)_in_the_1960s.jpg

StoryTrek (talk) 01:17, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

See also

Hi StoryTrek,

I see that you've added more items for the See also section, but I don't see how these provide more information about the USS Cimarron. From WP:ALSO: "Whether a link belongs in the "See also" section is ultimately a matter of editorial judgment and common sense. The links in the "See also" section should be relevant, should reflect the links that would be present in a comprehensive article on the topic, and should be limited to a reasonable number. It is also not mandatory, as many high-quality and comprehensive articles do not have a "See also" section."

I am not sure that any of these are appropriate additions. Do any of these further the understanding of the USS Cimarron?

Thanks!–CaroleHenson (talk) 15:58, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Mid-career US Army Officers assigned to Command General Staff College (CSGC) at Fort Levenworth are required to read following:

Military Innovation in the Interwar Period by Williamson ... - Goodreads:

https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/178439.Military_Innovation_in_the_Interwar_Period

Military Innovation in the Interwar Period has 113 ratings and 7 reviews. ...

Breaking" & fast fleet oiler/tanker UNderway REPlenishment (UNREP) innovations .

CIM was the lead ship of this class championed by ADM William D. Leahy whose spouse "sponsored" CIM's commissioning.

>> As Chief of Naval Operations from 1937 to 1939, he was the senior officer in the navy, overseeing the preparations for war.

After retiring from the navy, he was appointed in 1939 by his close friend President Franklin D. Roosevelt as Governor of Puerto Rico. <<

Both sponsors of her sister ships commissioned that year were also respected spouses of highly effective & influential naval officers.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cimarron-class_oiler_(1939)

StoryTrek (talk) 00:49, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

I am sorry, I am not understanding, but it's not a big deal. Let's just leave the see alsos for now.–CaroleHenson (talk) 06:56, 20 June 2017 (UTC)

Neglected to include following in CIM’s decommissioning ceremony ...

Eternal father - "And when at length her course is run, Her work for home and country done, . . . But hear from heaven our sailor's cry, And grant eternal life on high!" (Ship decommissioning verse) StoryTrek (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

As CIM’s decommissioning #NAVOCS-PAO in 1968, I was unaware of this homily;

so, her ship’s bell now tolls near headwaters of the “La Flecha” Watershed ... https://twitter.com/watershedmarsha/status/1033051247476203521?s=21 StoryTrek (talk) 18:22, 24 August 2018 (UTC)

Also see dictionary definition regarding source of naming this class of ships:

https://www.collinsdictionary.com/us/dictionary/english/cimarron

GeoVenturing (talk) 02:08, 29 June 2023 (UTC)

Walter W. Behrens, Sr. (First CO)

See Arlington National Cemetery Obituary (1937-1949)

https://www.arlingtoncemetery.net/wbehrens.htm

EarthSea-Keeper (talk) 02:36, 5 May 2023 (UTC)