Talk:Tzadikim Nistarim

Can someone provide a pronunciation for this?

The second portion of this (beneath the Yiddish pronunciation) recapitulates a lot of what was said in the first half. It should be cleaned up. JRoman 23:52, 4 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Name Change

If no one objects, I will change the name of this article to "Tzadikim". The chances that someone will search for this article under its present name is about zero. Kwork 20:14, 26 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Even with the current title the article will still appear if you search for "Tzadikim." Iron Ghost 01:02, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Nevertheless, anyone searching for information on Tzadikim would search for it like that. Why not have an article title that would go directly to the article? Kwork 11:45, 27 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I found the article by searching for "lamed vav." Jymlarin (talk) 06:39, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tzadikim right now gets redirected to Tzadik and is the plural of it. Tzadikim Nistarim or Lamed Vav Tzadikim aren't merely "many" Tzadikim; it actually has a different context and meaning. Therefore Tzadikim would not be a replacement for Tzadikim Nistarim, besides which it has been pointed out that no one is going to look for Tzadik or Tzadikim when wanting information on this; but when typing "Tzadikim" in the search box it will also bring up Tzadikim Nistarim. Issac (talk) 19:29, 14 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Gender

An anon just made this edit, carping that the Nistarim are split evenly between males and females. I'm not sure this is correct. I have a copy of Borges's Book of Imaginary Beings & the Lamed Wufniks entry unequivocally speaks of men and hes and hims. Does anyone know further? --Gwern (contribs) 21:34 29 January 2008 (GMT)

I took the liberty of correcting your spelling of the Borges title, Book of Imaginary Beings. “Book of Imaginary Begins” sounds like a biography of fictitious relatives of the 1970s and ’80s prime minister :-). —Dodiad (talk) 02:10, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

"widely-held belief"?

Just wondering what qualifies this as a "widely-held belief"; I suspect most Jews have never heard of it. Would "widely accepted" be better if you are trying to indicate it's a mainstream concept? Or perhaps "widely-held belief among people who study Jewish Mysticism"? Victor.Sac (talk) 05:24, 26 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps this sheds some light on the "widely-held belief" issue. I read a reference about the value 36 being embedded in the Hebrew greeting "Shalom" (lamed-vav makes up the middle letters). The argument (granted, from a Jewish playwright) states that lamed-vav (36) exists in the word in order to express that the 36 Righteous are necessary to maintain "peace" (the literal translation of "shalom") in the world. Source: Two by Ron Elisha (play). Also, does anyone think there be a "See Also" section which links to the article on Gematria? Jymlarin (talk) 06:36, 13 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Formatting Kludge

I added a kludge in the opening sentence of the article to work around an annoying formatting glitch that I couldn’t find any other way to resolve. The text was displaying as

...or Lamed Vav Tzadikim (Hebrew: ל"ו צַדִיקִים, 36 righteous ones)...

with the numeral 36 to the left of the Hebrew rather than to the right with the rest of the English translation, where it belongs. I don’t really understand how the bidirectional text entry works, but for some reason, no matter what I tried, the numeral kept getting absorbed into the span of right-to-left Hebrew and jumping to the left of the Hebrew characters; I couldn’t get it to stay put with the left-to-right English instead. The only solution I could find that worked was to replace the space preceding the numeral with an alphabetic letter colored white so it looks like a space. I know this is ugly and inelegant and probably violates some Wikipedia standard or other, but at least it gets the text to display properly and readably. If anyone can find a better solution to the problem, feel free to try. —Dodiad (talk) 02:01, 16 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

many redundancies

and could probably be halved by word count without losing any content or information

also source for the Max Brod reference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.44.192.200 (talk) 06:25, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

1974 radio play

In the In popular culture section, would it be suitable to add the 1974 CBS Mystery Theater radio play, "The Thirty-Sixth Man" by Sam Dann? See http://www.ross-martin-remembered.com/Radio.htm Calmansi (talk) 10:54, 18 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]