Talk:Twelfth siege of Gibraltar

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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on April 29, 2013.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that the Twelfth Siege of Gibraltar ended in defeat for France and Spain, which lost 10,000 men while the English and Dutch defenders lost only 400?

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Role of Charles' Spanish partisans.

I'm concerned because the role played by the Spanish followers of Archduke Charles in the siege is nearly ignored. Two contemporaneous writers, Narcís Feliu de la Penya and Francesc de Castellví i Obando, recorded that the troops which did most to repel the Bourbonic assault were not English, but the Spanish companies of Francisco de Sandoval (in fact, Prince George's bodyguard company) and Jaume Burguy (of Catalan miquelets) 1 2. --Weymar Horren (talk) 11:21, 30 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

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Reviewer: Tomobe03 (talk · contribs) 22:16, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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Image review:

Monamy-Battle-of-Malaga.jpg and Decorative scenes of the War of the Spanish Succession - Gibraltar, 1705.jpg have no United states PD licencse tags - please add as appropriate.

Done. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

What is the source of information in Susarte ingles.jpg?--Tomobe03 (talk) 08:41, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a source. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

MOS:

"Philip V", "Prince George" etc should be wikilinked at the 1st instance of the name following the lead. Likewise the 1st instance should include their full names per WP:SURNAME. I am aware that they are all mentioned in the lede, but the lede, tables and similar are exempt from SURNAME and OVERLINK policies as the lede is just a summary (per WP:LEAD) - the lede should function as a useful text without the remainder of the article and vice versa.

OK, fair enough - done. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

There are duplicate links to Mountjoy's Grenadiers. Remove redundant ones per WP:OVERLINK.--Tomobe03 (talk) 17:02, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Prose review:

Both "Habsburg" and "Hapsburg" spellings occur in the article. Only one should be used consistently.

Good point, I've fixed this. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The structure produced using the {{lang-es}} template seems awkward, especially since it contains a colon: ... known as Spanish: Muralla de San Bernardo (later Grand Battery). How about "... known as Muralla de San Bernardo in Spanish, and later as Grand Battery." or something along those lines?

Looks like someone else added that, I certainly don't recall doing so. I've reworded it. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It seems to me that the term curtain wall is used incorrectly. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but I suspect a different expression is needed instead in both of the instances of the "curtain wall".--Tomobe03 (talk) 17:26, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If you're referring to the Grand Battery, it does seem to have been described as a curtain wall. You can see from this 1859 map I photographed last weekend that it's referred to as the "Grand Curtain" (apparently an interchangeable name). (Note that the linked Grand Battery article is very incomplete. I intend to rectify that this weekend.) Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In that case, I stand corrected, I guess.--Tomobe03 (talk) 09:03, 16 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are there any sources available on Fox's first name?

It was Edward - I've added this. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In The situation was precarious and was only worsened when a storm on 4–5 December damaged many of Leake's ships. the temporal clause should probably be moved to the end of the sentence.

Done. Prioryman (talk) 22:20, 15 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Overall, a very nice article, with very little to mend in terms of GAR. Great work.--Tomobe03 (talk) 18:05, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]