Talk:Tweants dialect

Renaming Request

Why does the name of the article have to contain 'dialect'? Yes it is a dialect of a wider Low Saxon dialect continuum, but no other article on related Low Saxon dialects has the 'dialect' addition, nor any dialect of any language group, for that matter: Scouse, for instance, is an English dialect, but the article's lemma doesn't include 'dialect', as that description would be pretty obvious. A request hereby, to rename it to just 'Tweants', please. Woolters (talk) 17:32, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

There is another reason to rename it Tweants, and that is the principle of parsimony. "Tweants" as a noun is nothing else other than the language, and as a standalone lexeme has no other meaning. We don't call Wikipedia articles Parsnip (root vegetable) or Chimpanzee (primate) in case there is either only one definition or no contender for an equally prominent definition. The article itself can explain that Tweants is a dialect - or, more neutrally, a variety - of the Low Saxon language. Ni'jluuseger (talk) 22:51, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yet another argument: strictly speaking, Tweants isn't even a dialect but a group of Low Saxon dialects - with not insignificant variation between them - collectively known as Tweants. So sticklers for the use of the loaded term "dialect" wouldn't even be in the right here. Ni'jluuseger (talk) 22:55, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 4 December 2021

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

It was proposed in this section that Tweants dialect be renamed and moved to Tweants.

result:
No consensus. See no agreement below to rename this article at this time. As is usual with no-consensus outcomes, arguments can be strengthened and editors can try again in a few months to garner consensus for removal of "dialect" from the title. Thanks and kudos to editors for your input, and Happy, Healthy Editing! (nac by page mover) P.I. Ellsworth - ed. ^put'r there 12:06, 27 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Tweants dialect → Tweants – I could not move the page myself as Tweants is already a redirect to Tweants dialect. Reasons for move: "Tweants" means only one thing, so needs no further qualifiers (cf Scouse which is not called Scouse dialect); Tweants is not a dialect, but an internally varied group of Low Saxon language varieties. Ni'jluuseger (talk) 11:07, 4 December 2021 (UTC) — Relisting. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 19:31, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose the dialect is extremely (and somewhat suspiciously) poorly attested in Google Books and Google Scholar search results. An alternate spelling "Twents" has more results, most of which are understandably not in English. The sources that I do find in English all agree it is considered a dialect. I think that the adjective for "related to the city of Twente" would be similar if not identical. And all the other dialects in the region have this title. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 01:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Some clarification: Tweants is the Tweants spelling and Twents is the Dutch spelling, and Twente is a region, not a city. Twents/Tweants is indeed also the adjective for that region, but as a search term it is much more likely to refer to the dialect. While most Dutch dialect articles do include "dialect" in the title, not all of them do, see e.g. Achterhooks. Lennart97 (talk) 13:28, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Tweants or Twents

I don't have a strong opinion on whether it's a dialect or a language.

But I do wonder: Why is it called "Tweants"? Ethnologue, for example, uses "Twents" in both the English name and the autonym.

Are there sources that support the spelling "Tweants" in English or in any written variety of this language? Amir E. Aharoni (talk) 15:04, 25 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]