Talk:Trevor Baylis

Biography: Science and Academia / Sports and Games

	Biography portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Biography, a collaborative effort to create, develop and organize Wikipedia's articles about people. All interested editors are invited to join the project and contribute to the discussion. For instructions on how to use this banner, please refer to the documentation.BiographyWikipedia:WikiProject BiographyTemplate:WikiProject Biographybiography articles
	This article is supported by the science and academia work group (assessed as Low-importance).
	Sports portal This article is supported by the sports and games work group (assessed as Low-importance).

Business Low‑importance

	Business portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject Business, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of business articles on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.BusinessWikipedia:WikiProject BusinessTemplate:WikiProject BusinessWikiProject Business articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Industrial design Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Industrial design, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Industrial design on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.Industrial designWikipedia:WikiProject Industrial designTemplate:WikiProject Industrial designIndustrial design articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Invention Start‑class Low‑importance

	This article is within the scope of WikiProject Invention, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of Invention on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.InventionWikipedia:WikiProject InventionTemplate:WikiProject InventionInvention articles
Start	This article has been given a rating which conflicts with the project-independent quality rating in the banner shell. Please resolve this conflict if possible.
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

London Low‑importance

	London portal This article is within the scope of WikiProject London, a collaborative effort to improve the coverage of London on Wikipedia. If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can join the discussion and see a list of open tasks.LondonWikipedia:WikiProject LondonTemplate:WikiProject LondonLondon-related articles
Low	This article has been rated as Low-importance on the project's importance scale.

Biography

Some of the factual material I used in expanding this article is paraphrased from a four-page document called Biography written by Trevor Baylis and used with his permission. (He gave me a copy of this document at the London Exhibition where I took the photograph of him in January). Since using it in writing this article, I have discovered some other websites that have published this same source document word-for-word. I'm adding this note to confirm that I have not violated the copyright of these other websites. Euchiasmus 12:08, 8 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

In order for us to use material, it must be verifiable: that is, someone independent should be able to check the article against what the reference says. That's very difficult to do with an unpublished source, even if it comes from the subject of the article himself. To use this material we should source it better; if the same material is published in his book, on his website (or that of his company), or from some reliable third party like a newspaper interview or (as some other material is sourced) from a biography of him connected with his charity work or an award he's won. 'm sure you're 100% right that the same biography, produced by Mr Baylis, is the original source for many of these copies - we just need to source it better, to make the info verifiable. -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:00, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I guess this is his official biography; as that's coming straight from his company, that makes it an excellent, reliable, and verifiable source (at least for anything uncontentious). -- Finlay McWalter | Talk 17:21, 3 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Eh? Mr Baylis' own official biography, from his own company, is the very definition of a non-independent source! In general, official biographies are notorious for POV: presenting their subjects in a favourable light, avoiding candidness, and exaggerating their achievements. Centrepull (talk)

Quotes

I included some quotes from Trevor Baylis when I wrote this article as I thought they complemented the third person narrative and gave valuable insight. These were later moved to wikiquote by MrWeeble - I'm pleased they are now in wikiquote. I left a note on his talk page asking if he would mind if I also included them in the article:

I actually think that keeping a copy of these quotes in the article genuinely contributes to the reader's understanding of the man and his work - I could add the material in the third person to the article body, but I think it would lose immediacy and authenticity. Do you have any objection to my copying the quotes back into the article (and, of course, leaving the copy you put in wikiquote)?
— Euchiasmus 09:24, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

Since MrWeeble has not expressed any objection, I have reinstated them today. Euchiasmus 21:28, 11 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 2 external links on Trevor Baylis. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 07:10, 1 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

External links modified

Hello fellow Wikipedians,

I have just modified 3 external links on Trevor Baylis. Please take a moment to review my edit. If you have any questions, or need the bot to ignore the links, or the page altogether, please visit this simple FaQ for additional information. I made the following changes:

When you have finished reviewing my changes, you may follow the instructions on the template below to fix any issues with the URLs.

This message was posted before February 2018. After February 2018, "External links modified" talk page sections are no longer generated or monitored by InternetArchiveBot. No special action is required regarding these talk page notices, other than regular verification using the archive tool instructions below. Editors have permission to delete these "External links modified" talk page sections if they want to de-clutter talk pages, but see the RfC before doing mass systematic removals. This message is updated dynamically through the template {{source check}} (last update: 5 June 2024).

If you have discovered URLs which were erroneously considered dead by the bot, you can report them with this tool.
If you found an error with any archives or the URLs themselves, you can fix them with this tool.

Cheers.—InternetArchiveBot (Report bug) 19:47, 25 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]