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Within the rules for a Wikipedia article, (I'm not very familiar with these yet), I'd like to see more material on this page to inform those wanting to get involved in transgender activism what they could do for the cause. This may just be accomplished by external &/or internal links, &/or further content in the article itself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deluno (talk • contribs) 11:44, 20 November 2011 (UTC)
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Setbacks and opponents
Transgender rights movement doesn't always move forward; it has reverses, setbacks, and groups fighting against them, just like any movement, and the story of those events and the groups in opposition to the tg movement are part of the story here, too. Certainly people like Janice Raymond, Germaine Greer, J. Michael Bailey, various fundamental religious groups, anti-social justice groups like the Pacific Justice Institute who fight against transgender rights, and other such opponents of tg rights should be included.
I removed the Terminology section in this edit. There wasn't a single term in the bunch, that had any relevance to the Transgender rights movement; they were all general times that would make more sense in the Transgender or Transphobia article, but those articles have already got it covered, and more. There's no need for such a section in this article, so I removed it. Mathglot (talk) 07:14, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
Raid on Crow Nation
The paragraph about the raid on the Crow Nation doesn't seem to have anything to do with this article. Possibly it could be moved to another article, so saving it here:
Idealized illustration of "Pine Leaf", possibly identified with Woman Chief, from James Beckwourth's autobiography In the 1820s Rocky Mountains, a raid[by whom?] on a village of the Crow Nation resulted in the death of a young man; his sibling, Pine Leaf, vowed that she would never marry until she had killed a hundred of her enemies. Pine Leaf was recognized by her tribe as two-spirit, a gender-variant individual who may have spiritual gifts and the potential for authority and leadership in the community. She served in numerous war parties, and legend has it that one man, Jim Beckwourth, a former slave, asked for her hand in marriage. She immediately declined, but upon being pressed further she responded that she would marry him just as soon as the pine leaves turn yellow.[1][2]
References
^Edwin T. Denig: Five Indian Tribes at the Upper Missouri, University of Oklahoma Press, Norman, 1961, p. 195–200
^Jenkins, Jennifer L. (2001). "Woman Chief". In Bataille, Gretchen M.; Lisa, Laurie (eds.). Native American Women: A Biographical Dictionary. Routledge. p. 341. ISBN1135955875. Retrieved January 12, 2014.
Remove the celebrities from the In popular culture section
The fact that a group like HRC listed a bunch of celebrities in support of TG rights, just isn't relevant for this article, imho, unless they've done something. A lot of people have sent a check—should they all be listed, too? I'm inclined to delete the entire list, starting with "Archie Panjabi" and ending with "Lana Wachowski" (herself TG) unless it can be shown they have some relevance or impact to the rights movement. Jill Soloway, not even listed here, has had an impact; not sure what Brad Pitt has done other than send a check; ditto just about everybody else in that list. Mathglot (talk) 06:57, 2 July 2017 (UTC)
I agree with you on this. I think changing the "In Popular Culture" section entirely to something like "Notable Figures" who are within the Trans umbrella might be more meaningful to this page. For now, I would like to add Janet Mock to this section (for an assignment), but maybe we can make a new list entirely in the near future? I'm new to Wikipedia, but I would love to see more done on this page. Aasuka (talk) 22:01, 22 September 2017 (UTC)
Article quality
The article as it currently stands reads like activism. The article is in need of a complete overhaul and the language needs tightening up. I welcome input in best doing this. Sport and politics (talk) 18:40, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Reform Judaism
A section was recently added to the article containing a cut-and-paste from a website. Besides the fact that this is too detailed, and a direct copy rather than a paraphrase with perhaps short quotations, it's not clear to me how this statement about Reform Judaism's declaration of principles, enlightened as they may be towards transgender people, has anything to do with the activist movement for trangender rights per se. Better content for this section would be, How did activists within Reform Judaism raise the topic of transgender rights, and how did they get the general assembly of Reform Judaism to consider the topic, draw up a document, and publish it? That would be a worthy addition to the article, but I'm not sure that simply parroting the document they ended up writing, is any improvement to the article. Perhaps a one- or two-sentence section, with a link to the web page, would be sufficient in the article.
The section removed from the article is below, should anyone care to work on it.
Section on Reform Judaism removed from article
Transgender Equality in Reform Judaism
The Reform Movement is committed to inclusion of transgender and gender non-conforming people. In 2003, Hebrew Union College-Jewish Institute of Religion admitted its first openly transgender rabbinical student. In 2015, the Central Conference of American Rabbis’ updated its policies to require that congregations and other organizations seeking a rabbi commit to including in their search all candidates regardless of gender identity.
In 2015, the General Assembly of the Union for Reform Judaism passed a resolution on transgender equality that:
1. Affirms its commitment to the full equality, inclusion and acceptance of people of all gender identities and expressions.
2. Affirms the right of transgender and gender non-conforming individuals to be referred to by their name, gender, and pronoun of preference.
3. Encourages Reform [institutions and individuals] to continue to advocate for the rights of people of all gender identities and gender expressions;
4. Urges the adoption and implementation of legislation and policies that prevent discrimination and require individuals to be treated equally under the law as the gender by which they identify.
5. Calls on the U.S. and Canadian governments to review and revise all laws and policies to ensure full equality and protections.
6. Urges Reform Movement institutions to begin or continue to work with local and national Jewish transgender, lesbian, gay and bisexual organizations.
7. Recommends Reform Movement institutions to ensure, to the extent feasible, the availability of gender-neutral restrooms.
8. Urges Reform Movement institutions to review their use of language in prayers, forms and policies to ensure people of all gender identities and gender expressions are welcomed, included, accepted and respected.
9. Collaborates with other Reform Movement institutions to create more inclusive and welcoming ritual, programmatic and educational materials. [1]
In the History section, the ninth paragraph starts with "In 1993, Adela Vázquez, a Latina transgender woman, protested for in San Francisco in consideration of the government removing the transgender community from the workforce because they labeled the trans community as disabled." I cannot parse what this sentence is saying, and unfortunately I don't have access to the source and can't find another one describing Vázquez's activism during this period. Does anyone know what this is supposed to mean? Frankly I think this whole section could use a rewrite, as right now it's not a very cohesive history but more of a laundry list of events, but this sentence is particularly confusing. SreySros (talk) 21:42, 28 November 2020 (UTC)
Magnus Hirshfield
The sentence about Magnus Hirshfield is very vague and contains no real information. There are also no sources cited. This should probably be changed. Sage Early (talk) 06:16, 29 September 2021 (UTC)
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Section about repercussions of allowing trans women to serve prison time in female prisons
Hi all,
I was hoping to add a section about the debate regarding the known phenomenon of trans women sexually preying on (i.e. raping) female inmates, but it looks like the article is protected. Is this something people would object to? Geladorn (talk) 01:14, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
I am very skeptical about this being a "known phenomenon" as opposed to an anti-trans scare tactic, as I have not seen reliable sources indicate this is a common occurrence. So yes, I would object, unless you have solid sources saying otherwise. (See also: LGBT people in prison#Transgender_issues) Funcrunch (talk) 02:08, 17 July 2023 (UTC)
The way the section on Access to Health care is written seems misleading. It makes it sound like laws have been passed to generally limit access, and specifically towards transgenders, whereas my understanding is that they only prevent use of puberty blockers and hormonal treatment for anyone under the age of 18. What do you think? Brovast (talk) 18:34, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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-moved "The focus of the realms of trans visibility in pop culture and trans organizations has mostly been on white people." from the "intersectionality" section to the "people of color" section.
-Retitled the "intersectionality" section to "transmisogyny" as none the sources actually referenced actually use the term "intersectionality". Also removed the language "Trans communities experience problems with intersectionality when it comes to traditional male and female gender roles." as that was not mentioned in the sources referenced.
-added further context to the new "transmisogyny" section
-made "poverty" and "transmisogyny" their own sections instead of having them as subheadings under "people of color"
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