Talk:Tova Friedman

A fact from Tova Friedman appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 10 October 2022 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that Tova Friedman is a Holocaust survivor who now posts videos of her life and survival on TikTok?

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The result was: promoted by CSJJ104 (talk) 13:30, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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... that Tova Friedman is a Holocaust survivor who now posts videos of her life and survival on TikTok? Source: "“The story will continue because of my grandson”, says TikTok famous Auschwitz survivor" - Channel 4
- Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/OPTi Inc.
- Comment: Article was moved from draftspace to mainspace with this edit.

Moved to mainspace by MSacerdoti (talk), Thriley (talk), and Silver seren (talk). Nominated by Silver seren (talk) at 02:17, 14 September 2022 (UTC).[reply]

Source 1 says "her birth on Sept. 10, 1938", while your article says September 7. Did 09/07 come from another source? Source 1 also does not mention Gdynia or Danzig. I'm not the world's biggest expert on the subject, but is it appropriate as your writing does to call Gdynia a suburb of Danzig, which was then another country? I don't think for example Mexican settlements by the US border would be called suburbs of San Diego or San Antonio. I don't also see verification from source 1 that her ghetto was of 15,000 Jews in six buildings - the closest being that it had 5,000 Jewish children and five survivors. Nor do I see verification in the source about being transferred to Starachowice, we see that they "went to work in a factory; they were slaves", but it doesn't say it was ammunition. Third paragraph is unsourced. The hook itself is interesting, that's why I picked it, it's factual and it comes from a reliable news source. Moving onto source 2, I see that this backs up the issues I raised above, but it's not cited inline, and the wording looks very, very similar to what you've written. Earwig copyvio detector comes up with 39% similarity with the Auschwitz source: the similarity in the list of her qualifications has to happen, but there are other sentences that could very easily be rewritten [1]. Also, I see nothing in citation 2 to back up that they moved to the US in 1950 due to antisemtism; the source seems to jump from the Soviet liberation of Auschwitz to 1950 and gives no reason for their migration. Unknown Temptation (talk) 17:46, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the review, Unknown Temptation.

I think the Calvin source is just wrong, since I can find multiple other sources, including the former ref 2 in the article by Friedman herself that says September 7th. I've extended the ref to cover that, along with all other instances on referencing being needed.
Not sure what is good for Danzig either or what the manual of style says for time period issues like that.
I have corrected 15,000 to 5,000.
Starachowice is in the other reference, which is covering that now.
I've rewritten and generally copy-edited the whole article. Hopefully that fixes those issues? Not sure how to fix the info about her education, since there's no real way to not have that written verbatim.
Removed that last bit.

Hopefully that addresses everything. Silver seren^C 02:37, 15 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Are you still around, @Unknown Temptation:? Could we maybe get a second reviewer in here? Silver seren^C 20:40, 24 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New reviewer needed to check revised article; previous reviewer has not returned despite having been pinged twice. BlueMoonset (talk) 00:22, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Silver seren appears to have addressed most of the above issues. I'd recommend "close to Danzig" to sidestep the suburb issue. "She speaks about her experiences during the Shoah in schools and to various organizations" is uncomfortably close to the source and needs to be reworked. Other Earwig and spot checks only come up with snippets below the threshold of originality. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 04:19, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Firefangledfeathers: I've changed the Danzig part and removed the latter sentence entirely. Silverseren^C 03:23, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
- , all looks good. Thanks for the patience, Silver seren. Firefangledfeathers (talk / contribs) 03:28, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thanks for the article!.

✠ SunDawn ✠ (contact) 12:02, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tova Friedman finally published

I am happy that the profile of Tova Friedman that I had created on September 3, 2022 and had been immediately moved to draft without discussion has been published and promoted on DYK with an enormous number of accesses last month, more than 16.000. Administrators should be more careful before deleting new articles!

MSacerdoti (talk) 21:12, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @MSacerdoti and thanks for starting this entry. Please know it was never deleted but instead moved to draft space for further development. Especially when an entry might affect a living person, it’s best to bring it up to standard in draft or userspace and then move it to mainspace, so the reviewer was not wrong here. That said, I see you went to work improving it right away, which is also acceptable in most cases, and next time you could use Template:In use or Template:Under construction to let reviewers know more is coming right away; they will generally give you some time to bring the initial draft up to par. I hope that helps for next time—I am looking forward to reading your next creation. Happy editing, Innisfree987 (talk) 07:07, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ESN-TV video interview, 2016

Today I watched most of her interview on YouTube (twice). She stated her birth date; she didn't talk about a "suburb"; there had been some anti-Semitism when she tried school in Poland (she had been called a dirty Jew and had rocks thrown at her, after which she didn't want to return to school); they escaped from Poland via the American sector of Berlin. There may be points in the interview that are not published elsewhere and could be added to the article. Very moving video. Robin Patterson (talk) 10:46, 16 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Correct the expression „Nazi”.

As a Polish citizen who knows who is blamed for Holocaust, whose grandfather had experienced personally a stay in one of concentation camps (do not know in which one he had been sent to). I would like you to correct each expression where only „Nazi” word appears, into German-Nazi. By writing „Nazi” nobody knows in which country this movement was born. It seems like Nazis didn’t have any citizenship, but yes they did have! They were Germans! So stop being politically correct, affraiding of insulting German Nation. Only this nation should bare the resposibility for exterminating Jews and Poles and other nations. Too many times was published that these concentrations camps were Polish, misleading global opinion about „thanks to” whom these camps were established and the II World War started. It should be reminded every time.

Artur Balczyński 88.156.136.63 (talk) 22:01, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Artur and thank you for your message. I’m sorry to learn about your grandfather. As for the terminology used, English Wikipedia editors do not decide based on our own opinions how to characterize something. Instead we follow the usage in reliable secondary sources. If it were the case that reliable sources in English usually specified German Nazi, we would do so as well. But they don’t. If you think they should, you should address these concerns to historians and journalists, whose publications we rely on. I hope this clarifies a bit how English Wikipedia is built. Innisfree987 (talk) 22:33, 30 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Innisfree987. It is only in recent years that the word "Nazi" has been applied to people other than its German originators. It's a German-language abbreviation. The Fifth Edition of the Concise English Dictionary says: "Nazi ... n. & a. (Member) of the German National Socialist party; (loosely) German." Robin Patterson (talk) 00:36, 31 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]