Talk:Tour du coin (Louvre)

Tour du coin or corner tower

Hi,
I created articles in French and English. Ok to use corner tower instead of Tour du coin as common name. But :

• Can you add examples of corner towers outside France.
• Please preserve Tour du Coin for the tower of the wall of Philippe-Auguste. It is not a common name, but a proper name. Do you say Nesle tower instead of tour de Nesle or arts bridge instead of pont des arts. Best regards. --Tangopaso (talk) 13:04, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

Yes, of course, I agree with you concerning your second point. It has been my intention to alter only those usages of tour du coin that refer to a general category of objects rather than to particular objects in France. Regarding your first point, do you mean that you want examples of the usage of the term corner towers as a kind of verification of its legitimacy? I can do this if you really think it necessary but I doubt it. To see that it's often used you could enter this link: https://www.google.com/search?tbm=bks&q=medieval+castle+%22corner+tower%22. It shows that numerous books use it. SewerCat (talk) 16:49, 3 February 2017 (UTC)

@SewerCat:Thanks for your answer. I know that there are many of these towers on fortresses outside France. But perhaps, it should be interesting (not mandatory) to add examples of towers named corner towers outside France. On the wall of Philippe-Auguste, there were 4 corner towers. And 2 more on the wall of Charles V. But only 1 is named tour du coin. And perhaps, it should be interesting to have 2 separated articles : one about the general concept of corner tower all over the world. A second one only for the tour du coin of Philippe-Auguste's wall. Regards. --Tangopaso (talk) 08:23, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tangopaso:Now we have the essence of this discussion. I knew you would be aware that fortresses outside France have corner towers. :) I offered that link to suggest that all of the corner towers of a fortress are called corner towers, at least in English, in the UK. Would you accept that this article needs a usage note, pointing out that, as you say, although the the Philippe-Auguste edifice has two 'corner towers' in the sense of English only one of these is called the 'tour du coin'. SewerCat (talk) 14:57, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@SewerCat:. I think that it should be simpler to create a new article corner tower for general usages in France and outside France. (Now it exists, but it is only a redirect to Fortified tower). And to reduce the present article to the tower of Philippe-Auguste wall. You could create the first with the informations of the present article. And with some examples from UK you know. And I could update the second one. Or you can work or both, or I can work on both as you want. If you are OK, I will also update French wikipedia to have 2 articles : Tour d'angle (rather than tour du coin, see : http://www.ikonet.com/fr/ledictionnairevisuel/arts-et-architecture/architecture/chateau-fort.php) for general usage and Tour du coin (or Tour du coin (Philippe-Auguste)) for the specific tower. What is your opinion ? --Tangopaso (talk) 17:30, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

@Tangopaso:I think it would be simplest if I withdraw from any work on this article. Best of luck with it! SewerCat (talk) 19:28, 4 February 2017 (UTC)

Article Tour du coin cut into 2 articles

I cut the article tour du coin into 2 articles :

• Corner tower, for these towers inside or outside France. I put only examples from France and a photo from Russia, but dont hesitate to add other examples (from UK for example)
• Tour du coin (Louvre) for the specific tower in Paris.
  

I will do the same on French wikipedia. --Tangopaso (talk) 17:07, 12 February 2017 (UTC)