Talk:TotalBiscuit/Archive 1

Remove "notability" tag?

Bain won the 2012 Battle Royale organised by King of the Web and donated his $47,000 winnings to Charity:Water.[1]. He was a runner-up in the Golden Joystick 2012, in category Greatest YouTube Gamer.[2]. He has been recognized on several prominent gaming sites including Technorati and Eurogamer.

How's that not notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.99.131.84 (talk) 10:09, 19 December 2012 (UTC)

How is anything in this article notable? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:CF99:2080:F07E:BFF0:55C:794 (talk) 22:47, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Subject is covered by multiple, reliable sources (WP:RS) that are verifiable (WP:VER). This fulfills both WP:ENT and WP:ANYBIO, which are more or less the criteria for entry into Wikipedia.--SamHolt6 (talk) 23:11, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

no idea how to cite information on a youtube video

the description on "alpha strike" is in the description area of alpha strike videos, i have no idea how to properly cite that information so i just cited a video link that contains the proper description.66.189.173.57 (talk) 02:54, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

A better place to ask this would be in the wikipedia teahouse, since this talk page doesn't really get all that much traffic. --Raptros155 (talk) 22:15, 4 August 2013 (UTC)

thank you for the information but i don't think you could really call it a proper question but ill keep the tea house in mind 66.189.173.57 (talk) 13:08, 30 August 2013 (UTC)

Notable incident

See Wild Games Studio, probably should be mentioned here. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 10:37, 22 October 2013 (UTC)

Controversy section

This would be trivial enough if it was "developer X claimed that Bain said Y, but Bain had never said this", but it's actually "developer X summarised Bain's viewpoint as Y, but Bain had never spoken those exact words", which seems almost a non-story. Is there anything more to this? --McGeddon (talk) 18:56, 3 December 2013 (UTC)

Two months later, I've cut this. This seems incredibly trivial, and it doesn't seem useful to suggest that this is the most and only "controversial" thing that has ever happened to Bain. --McGeddon (talk) 14:44, 10 February 2014 (UTC)

I vote there should be a "Controversies" section; Garry's Incident incident, and recently Guise of the Wolf incident.

UnderBelly incident

I'm going to gather information on the 59th episode of the TGS podcast and improve that paragraph. I find it really hard to read. I wasn't around TGS/Polaris back then so I'll have to re-watch the podcast. Hemi9 (talk) 16:08, 12 February 2014 (UTC)

October 2014 controversy

In light of the recent controversy re: paid deals and a certain video game, I've been wondering whether to include something about it. The new section would read something like this:

In October 2014, while traditional video game review outlets were unable to obtain early access to the game, Bain revealed that prominent Youtube vloggers had been offered early access to the game [redacted] in exchange for agreeing to a restrictive contract. The terms in the contract included such clauses as "Videos will promote positive sentiment about the game. Videos must not show bugs or glitches that may exist." FTC guidelines require paid promotional deals on Youtube to be disclosed.

Sources: 1 2 3 4 5 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Willhesucceed (talk • contribs) 18:22, 14 October 2014 (UTC)

If this is even worth mentioning, it's not worth adding more than a sentence. Anything more would be undue weight. This is a biography about a guy's life, not about everything he's touched. In general, we try to avoid "controversy" sections. Also the full RFC on this is overkill. czar ♔ 00:34, 15 October 2014 (UTC)

@Czar: Is there a half-RFC? Or some other way to get attention onto a page? For pretty much any gaming topic it's impossible to get a discussion going.

I didn't know that about controversy sections. I see them everywhere. Willhesucceed (talk) 01:31, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Best bet it to leave a note at WT:VG. If it gets no traction, it's usually a sign that it's not worth fretting over. Many pages on WP are in disrepair and it doesn't necessarily mean that they should be used as standards for the rest czar ♔ 03:02, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

• Include Extensively covered in reliable sources and relevant to the subject of the article, the information should be included though I agree that one or two sentences would do. Also, unless there's been some lawsuit I'm unaware of, there's no reason to censor the name of the game.

In October 2014, Bain exposed WBIE's attempts to bribe prominent YouTube vloggers to present Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor in a positive light which earned him recognition from the gaming community at large.

Skip the part about recognition if it can't be sourced; replace "prominent YouTube vloggers" with "him" if the former can't be sourced; possibly replace "exposed" with "brought attention to" or "revealed;" make sure to also add something about the controversy to the article that covers the game which I believe doesn't have anything on it and has some serious WP:NPOV issues to boot. Iaritmioawp (talk) 16:12, 18 October 2014 (UTC)

Alright, I've not only significantly culled the article of non-noteworthy things, but also reorganised it and added Gamergate and Shadow of Mordor information. Willhesucceed (talk) 10:13, 19 October 2014 (UTC)

PoV warning

Much of the wording in the last paragraph of section "Consumer advocacy" seems to have been a victim of the same people that caused other articles to get locked. "Although neutral, he was subsequently attacked by Phil Fish and others on Twitter, and branded a misogynist" come on. Also, Bringing up his involvement on Pakman, can we find anything less notable to bring up? MeganBytes (talk) 05:44, 8 December 2014 (UTC)

Yes, this is a huge problem. The sources are not strong enough in this case to defend the claim that he was "branded a misogynist," and this claim has serious BLP considerations. The Forbes article does not mention any misogyny claims. The Salon article is essentially an opinion piece titled "Letter to a Young Male Gamer." It's a letter! How can we be making serious, possibly libelous BLP claims based off of what is essentially an open letter to a theoretical person? That's insanity. The Salon article is not even about TotalBiscuit or the incident. The misogynist label was tacked on as part of a list of examples of how inflammatory discussion has become. It is the author's subjective view that TotalBiscuit was "branded a misogynist" after his comments on the Gamergate controversy. That is not even close to being encyclopedic, balanced, or neutral. This is almost a textbook WP:COATRACK, specifically "A Journalist Mentioned It in Passing". ColorOfSuffering (talk) 19:24, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

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