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Outbreak sequence?

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More severe weather, possibly tornadoes, are forecast tomorrow in the South. Since it is from a separate system with a separation, this would have to be changed to an outbreak sequence to cover them here if they develop into an outbreak as well (but they could be covered in a separate section as well on Tornadoes of 2008 especially if there is no significant outbreak). That will need to be decided. CrazyC83 (talk) 13:42, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here is how I think it should be treated: for now, keep them separate (Jan. 7-8 and Jan. 10-?). However, should a significant outbreak take place today (i.e. more than some isolated tornadoes), then merge them together and change this to an outbreak sequence. CrazyC83 (talk) 16:01, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sure it can be included here as it looks to be significant today based on the radars in the south, watching at ABC 33-40 on the web and already, there is a nasty cell in central MS with a tornado on the ground that caused damage. Also, not sure if some the content of the synopsis section be split into another section, so to talk possible more about the thaw, fog, damaging wind and flooding.--JForget 18:13, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I'd split that off to a separate section at the bottom, below the tornadoes (including any separate sections, if necessary should there be a destructive tornado or series of tornadoes today over a populated area or large swath) CrazyC83 (talk) 18:53, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Well I think we may have to add a section about that very impressive long-lived supercell since the reports from Caledonia and possibly Vernon and the tornado emergency. I haven't found the text for the emergency just yet.--JForget 20:40, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

FYI on January tornadoes

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To put the outbreaks/outbreak sequence in perspective, I've made and uploaded a map of all known tornadoes in the U.S. during January from 1950-2006. The event was rare, but not unprecedented, for the northern extent of tornadoes in N IL/Wisconsin and the western extent of tornadoes in Oklahoma. Evolauxia (talk) 21:46, 10 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Region Specific?

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Is this article region-specific or can the SW Washington tornado (http://www.columbian.com/news/localNews/2008/01/01102008_Tornado-causes-damage-in-Fruit-Valley-Hazel-Dell-Orchards.cfm) be included? Although SW Washington's wasn't very large, it is important because it was the first significant tornado in the region since 1972. If anyone is interested in doing the writing, I'll upload some photos I took of the aftermath. (Later edit: Forgot to sign, signing now.) --67.160.185.231 (talk) 00:13, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Completely separate event in a completely different area. That goes at Tornadoes of 2008#January 10 (Northwest US), although someone else is writing an article for that (not warranted IMO). CrazyC83 (talk) 13:38, 11 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that a separate article is not warranted although am not opposed to a brief mention in this outbreak article, but in a separate section, stating that the WA event also happened (making it clear it's a separate system altogether) and wikilinking to Tornadoes of 2008#January 10 (Northwest US). Evolauxia (talk) 00:01, 12 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Recent death added

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Can anyone find a source for this? Gopher backer (talk) 17:13, 4 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Data on NCDC

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The NCDC has updated the storm data up until January 31, 2008 which includes this outbreak. However, there are several differences with the list in this article including tornadoes that are in the article but not on the NCDC list, new tornadoes not in the article, tornadoes which has 2 different tracks in the article which in the NCDC has one longer track and even I won't be surprised, other with different Enhanced Fujita scale ratings. I could wait a few days/weeks before adding the update data as it may have been recently added to the archives.--JForget 16:36, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I found something a bit strange on the NCDC data... Here it says that there were 75 confirmed tornadoes during the outbreak but when I looked through and recorded all the tornadoes, it totaled to 67 (exluding the one in Washington). I know I didn't miss any as I've double-checked each one to make sure I was correct. I'm not sure if they're missing any though...Cyclonebiskit (talk) 22:03, 1 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]
If they are missing from an office that has some released, then probably they were removed from the final count (i.e. later analysis found to be straight-line winds or just a funnel cloud). If an entire office is missing, then it probably hasn't been released yet. However, I'd wait a little while before removing it from the official list. CrazyC83 (talk) 14:48, 12 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

After looking at all the data (from all of January), it seems 74 is the correct number of tornadoes from this outbreak. (The 75th one from description was an EF2 in Webster County that had its time incorrectly assessed - easy to do at night when 31 tornadoes touch down in 15 hours in a single WFO - and found to have happened much later, and since the tracks match it was deleted). An SPC report says that 88 tornadoes will go down in Storm Data in January, and combining this data with the NCDC storm data from the remainder of January adds up to 88. CrazyC83 (talk) 00:52, 14 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

One tornado too many?

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According to SPC there were 84 tornadoes in January. Looking at the NCDC tornado database there was one tornado in washington on january 10, one tornado on january 24, one tornado on january 27 and eight on january 29; adding up to eleven. Here there are 74 tornadoes which would bring the number up to 85, which is one more than SPC has. After looking at the NCDC they have three tornado reports in illinois, two for the EF3 and one for the EF1 but it doesn't have anything on the Pleasant Hill, Illinois tornado. Should that be removed?

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