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Tom Luckey was a Art and architecture good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.

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Date	Process	Result
July 12, 2012	Good article nominee	Not listed

A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 20, 2012.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Tom Luckey, creator of multi-story climbing structures known as Luckey Climbers, is paralyzed from the neck down?

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GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tom Luckey/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: INeverCry (talk · contribs) 18:57, 8 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):
The lead should say abstract playground structures, rather than just abstract playgrounds.
It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Why are there references for some of the Lucky Climber installations in the table and not all of them?

A: The only reference for those is the Luckey Climbers Web site. That's not considered a reliable source (so far as I know), so it isn't used as a reference, but there hasn't been any disputation that these installations actually exist. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Info has to be verifiable. Lack of disputation doesn't meet this requirement. Also, ref #13 is to IMDB which isn't considered a reliable ref on wiki. I don't see why the company website would be an unreliable source on where it's own installations are located. If the company website gives any technical details about the structures or their manufacture. I would use that as well.
Ref # 15 says he fell at the Boston Children's Museum while working on a three-story structure??
Ref # 14 backs this up.
Refs # 2 and 3 say as you do in the article that he was at home when it happened?

Conflicting refs isn't a good thing.

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
Is there any more bio info available? His birth place, marriage, etc?

A: There may be more, but that's all I've been able to find (outside a lot of gossip about post-accident intra-family fighting, which I didn't think was encyclopedic). Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

There is definitely more bio info available, considering the number of refs you have. Ref #16 contains info about rehab, his wife Ettie, the accident affected their marriage, this is his second marriage, Spencer is his son from his first marriage, etc. I think you could garner something from that. This ref could be used to summarize that the documentary is about Tom and his family dealing with the accident, building a structure, etc. This should be a few more sentences in the documentary section. I can't access the highbeam stuff, but anything personal or about his work should be added. How long it takes to build a Luckey Climber, material used, staff, etc.

Is there more info on the origins of his ideas for the Lucky Climber and the process of creation? Was he inspired by other architects/other structures?

A: If there is, I haven't been able to find sources that say so, sadly. His Web site has graphics of some of his early projects that clearly show signs of what he later fleshed out, but I don't know how much or if we can use any of that. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

What was his degree exactly?
A: I believe that it's a Master of Architecture from Yale School of Architecture, but I don't recall if that was an informed guess or stated by one of the sources (iirc: that's the degree you need to officially call yourself an architect). In general:
After graduating from the Yale School of Architecture in the late 1960s, Luckey… — New Haven Register

…after receiving his architecture degree from Yale University. — Hartford Courant

A Yale University graduate in architecture… — Boston Globe Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall:
Pass/Fail:

This article needs alot of work. I don't think a few days would be enough.

Questions etc

1. I find this sentence from the Luckey (documentary) section a bit confusing:

He continues to design Luckey Climbers, at first with the assistance of his son, Spencer; the one at the Delaware Children's Museum was his first to be fully accessible.

A: Same here—it's one of the few sentences in the whole article that I didn't write

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Note: I don't know that much about how article review works; can the article be changed during the process? I have no problem with simply reworking/deleting that line. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Changes and expansion are certainly needed. You are free to do anything with the article that you think might help it reach GA quality coverage, etc.

At first - and then what? Doesn't the son still help him? Does anyone else help?

A: See my note about intra-family fights, above. I believe that his son Spencer no longer works with him. According to the Hartford Courant,

The business relationship he had with his son has dissolved, Luckey says. In a separate interview, Spencer Luckey, also an architect, said his father called clients recently and told them he was no longer working with his son.

Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The current situation of the family and business should be detailed, atleast in a general way.

Why the semicolon? This should be a new sentence. Also, what do you mean by fully accessible? Accessible by who? Does this mean that children can access all parts of the structure? The word accessible makes me think of handicapped accessibility.

A: All of his works are made to be accessible to children; it was only after the accident that Luckey started making them handicapped accessible as well. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

How are they accessible to handicapped people? Can children in wheelchairs use them? How? What changes were made?

2. The first paragraph in the "Luckey (documentary)" section looks like straight bio info. Only the second paragraph deals with the documentary itself. More about the documentary might be a good add.

A: I haven't seen the documentary, and I haven't been able to find much written about it. Everything I found that I thought was encyclopedic is already in the article. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The documentary follows them thru the building of a structure while Luckey deals with his disability, family issues, etc. This should be in the article.

3. Maybe a bio section above career would make the article a bit more balanced. The info about his fall could be moved up, and hopefully more personal/family info could be found.

A: Makes sense to me. Dori ☾Talk ⁘ Contribs☽ 05:13, 11 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Tom Luckey passed away August 19, 2012. This should no longer be listed as biography of a living person.

Spencer Luckey

Hi, I think that a new article should be made for his son, Spencer Luckey, who is leading Luckey Climbers now. Spencer is working within the same framework that Tom created, but I think he qualifies as being notable for the innovations he has made to the climbers, and the fact that the climbers he has designed are part of the permanent collections of many institutions world-wide. Hillbillyhoboken (talk) 18:20, 31 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]