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Myth of Houston freeing his slaves
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@CaroleHenson: I noted this on the Margaret Lea Houston article. Footnote 2, Margaret was an executor of his 1863 estate and specifically named each slave in the estate's inventory. Texas was still part of the Confederacy when Houston died. He could not have freed his slaves even if he wanted to: the Texas constitution in effect under the Confederacy, Section III, Article 2, prohibited manumission (a slave owner freeing his slaves). The sources are all there for you in Margaret's article. — Maile (talk) 00:25, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
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Houston as Commander of the forces
[edit]@CaroleHenson: the military structure during the Texas Revolution, and Houston's role in it, is complicated. Texas at that time was full of small volunteer civilian militias who operated on their own. See Runaway Scrape#Temporary governments in Texas: November 1835 – March 1836. Volunteer militias from all over the US were going down to Texas to help overthrow the Mexican government. Stephen F. Austin was in charge of all those little militias. The Consultation of 1835 convened in San Felipe de Austin on November 3 of that year created of a provisional government and its constitution. The Consultation approved the creation of the Provisional Army of Texas, a paid force of 2,500 troops. Houston was named commander-in-chief of the new army and had to train those who enlisted. Houston was not at the Alamo, Goliad, or any of the smaller skirmishes. Houston began forming his army, and based himself at Gonzales, Texas, which was where everyone started gathering who wanted to participate. The Alamo fell while he was in Gonzales.
What Houston did, is take all those volunteers from Gonzales on the run, looking for a place to train them. Santa Anna was trying to find Houston and his army, and they literally played hide and seek all the way south. Houston finally got a few days to train his paid army at Groce's Landing on the Brazos River. It all culminated at San Jacinto, where Santa Anna made a really idiotic mistake. The Mexican army was on one side of a bridge, and pissed-off Texans were on the other side. Santa Anna told his forces to stand down, and Santa Anna went to take a nap. On the Texan side, there were yells of "Remember the Alamo", "Remember Goliad". The Texans ran pell-mell across the bridge and beat the living crap out of the Mexican army. Those who didn't have ammunition were literally using anything they had to whack the Mexican soldiers. The entire battle took 18 minutes. Santa Anna deserted his forces, and was later captured by accident, by a scout looking food. — Maile (talk) 18:06, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Maile66 That's interesting. I didn't realize that Santa Anna was caught by someone looking for food. It's an interesting battle.
- Are you thinking that this article should have this info in it?–CaroleHenson (talk) 20:41, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- That's up to you. I was just clarifying the general info for you. — Maile (talk) 20:58, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- FYI James Austin Sylvester is the guy who caught Santa Anna hiding in the grass. — Maile (talk) 21:26, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! So smart / devious for Santa Anna to don a private's uniform. It makes me wonder: are there norms (like that a captain should not leave a sinking ship until all people are off the ship) for behavior of infantry leaders when they are defeated?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- If you look at his infobox on Antonio López de Santa Anna, if governments have norms, if Mexico had any, they did not apply to him. Because of his bungling, Mexico lost Texas, and then lost what became the entire American southwest. And, yet, he stayed in office. Before him, Mexico had a federalist political ideology, similar to current democracies - a central government, but every state had its own local government. When Santa Anna came to power, he revoked the country's constitution and made every area under the direct control of the top government. He put all his cronies in place, and did what he wanted. He must have bribed a lot of cronies. After San Jacinto, he signed the Treaties of Velasco, and the US kept him imprisoned for about a year. Then he was released, and continued as he wished. — Maile (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Oh my! You cannot make this stuff up.–CaroleHenson (talk) 14:54, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- If you look at his infobox on Antonio López de Santa Anna, if governments have norms, if Mexico had any, they did not apply to him. Because of his bungling, Mexico lost Texas, and then lost what became the entire American southwest. And, yet, he stayed in office. Before him, Mexico had a federalist political ideology, similar to current democracies - a central government, but every state had its own local government. When Santa Anna came to power, he revoked the country's constitution and made every area under the direct control of the top government. He put all his cronies in place, and did what he wanted. He must have bribed a lot of cronies. After San Jacinto, he signed the Treaties of Velasco, and the US kept him imprisoned for about a year. Then he was released, and continued as he wished. — Maile (talk) 00:26, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for that! So smart / devious for Santa Anna to don a private's uniform. It makes me wonder: are there norms (like that a captain should not leave a sinking ship until all people are off the ship) for behavior of infantry leaders when they are defeated?–CaroleHenson (talk) 22:25, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
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