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On 6 April 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine: Phase 4 to Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (12 November 2022–present). The result of the discussion was moved.

Is it still a “Stalemate”?

Since January Russia has captured Soledar & the towns and villages around Bakhmut (excluding Chasiv Yar) Russia has almost captured the whole raion (county) of Bakhmut. This is hardly a stalemate, I think it’s time for an additional bulletin. 2605:B100:1135:14F8:6DCD:534C:603F:9AEE (talk) 18:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The Flanks of Bakhmut are still under Ukraine they are still moving slowly. With regards to the action in Belgorod it might not be a stalemate much longer but for now it is. I sell eggs (talk) 14:52, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Compared to the rapid Ukrainian advance in the previous phase, the fact that we're considering changes on the level of individual towns/villages shows that it's definitely slower than before. Chaotic Enby (talk) 17:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wagner loss are on Bakhmut and half of it is from convicts

Hi, The source on may 24 about Wagner's lost said the 20 000 casualties were on the Bakhmut battle and that 20% of the 50 000 convicts recruted (so 10 000) were lost too, meaning half of the 20 000 casualties are recruted convicts. Those two precisions (On Bakhmut and half of that is recruted convicts) seems worth mentioning.

(Feel free to detail that in a neutral close to the source way, I'm not really good at that) 178.23.152.132 (talk) 14:23, 24 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Worth pointing that ISW has the same conclusion on its 24th of may assessment, should you need a source.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/russian-offensive-campaign-assessment-may-24-2023 178.23.152.132 (talk) 08:46, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

25 May 2023

A series of fires have broken out in Moscow to the consternation of the public.

The leader of the Wagner Group admits that Bakhmut was a failure and warns that Putin risks an uprising similar to the 1917 Revolution when the military sided with the people. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:21, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Al Jazeera liveblog links

Please compare this news article "permanent link" and this "liveblog" one. The latter appears to be a short summary of various recent news that quickly expires. I've seen the use of these as sources in this article lately and recommend to avoid them, versus direct article links. Thanks, —Paleo Neonate – 08:09, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I still see more of these expiring links being used recently. A compromise may also be to use archive.org timed archives, that may allow to prevent early link rot... See |archive-url=, |archive-date= and |url-status= of the {{cite news}} template. Without this, an editor may eventually cleanup and remove what citation links don't directly support. —Paleo Neonate – 15:08, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ivan Maslov

It redirects to a Ivan Maslov who died in 2011 80.208.69.53 (talk) 19:15, 26 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

+1 this, the second to last paragraph under the May 26 heading links to Ivan Maslov, a deceased soviet flying ace. If someone with perms could remove the link, that'd be great. 9yz (talk) 08:16, 27 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Done. Thanks, Prolog (talk) 11:43, 28 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 6 June 2023

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to June 6 add:

"There has been speculation for several months that the emptying of the basin will have severe negative consequences to drinking water, agriculture and the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, as water was draining from the basin before the dam blew up^[1]. Bart Terpstra (talk) 09:55, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: This isn't important enough to go in a Timeline article. I would suggest adding it to Destruction of the Kakhovka Dam, but it's already mentioned there. ARandomName123 (talk) 16:45, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1155761686/russia-is-draining-a-massive-ukrainian-reservoir-endangering-a-nuclear-plant

Counteroffensive started?

Has the Ukraine counteroffensive begun since it’s been added onto the timeline without any proper discussion? Agartha358 (talk) 13:54, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was going to delete it, but apparently yes? Ukraine launches counteroffensive against Russia, WaPo 2023/06/08 -- 147.156.104.202 (talk) 15:36, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Does the counteroffensive mark the beginning of Phase 5 of the war? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:01, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Split of the timeline

With the Ukrainian counteroffensive starting and the article reaching an unwieldy length, I feel it is more than time to split the timeline into a new page. Chaotic Enby (talk) 14:58, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support The Washington post article above lists numerous Ukrainian and Russian officials saying the counter offensive has begun, so I think it seems warranted to split the article as of at least June 8.

2G0o2De0l (talk) 19:42, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Support – Such a Split happened for the 2022 Kherson counteroffensive. Parham wiki (talk) 23:50, 8 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See Timeline of the Russian invasion of Ukraine (8 June 2023 - present) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 195.244.210.117 (talk) 06:52, 14 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

February 3, France and Italy promise a SAMP/T medium range air defence system

Hi, France announced that a French-Italian made SAMP/T medium range air defence system was in discussion for several week and confirmed on friday 3rd february Source : https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/02/03/france-and-italy-will-send-ukraine-mamba-missile-systems-say-french-officials_6014333_4.html

If you are curious, it's now deliverd on June 19 (request made in the other timeline for delivering), and it seems THAT one is made with a bunch of spares from France & Italy, ence the delay and sevarl week of acceptance 178.23.152.132 (talk) 09:52, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.npr.org/2023/02/10/1155761686/russia-is-draining-a-massive-ukrainian-reservoir-endangering-a-nuclear-plant

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