Talk:Tiger Woods/Archive 5

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Lead

Can we pin down consensus on the lead, whether we should mention it there and what it should say. I see that John Edwards does not mention his affair, but I think it would be appropriate here, since Edwards' Presidential run was already over and this scandal came in the middle of Tiger Woods career. The current wording is "On December 11, 2009, Woods announced an indefinite leave from professional golf to focus on his marriage after past infidelity came to light", but I'm sure that'll change in the next hour.--Chaser (talk) 01:51, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

It would be a mistake to not have it there. WP:LEDE allows it, arguably requires it:

The lead should be able to stand alone as a concise overview of the article ... including any notable controversies.

The object of a lede is to allow the reader to be able to read it and get the gist of the article without having to read it all. To not include it would be a mistake -- a missing component of the "concise overview". I think it wise to include a convenience link to the main part. Later, once this has all settled, the convenience link may not be required. But mention of this should probably always be in the lede. It should be in the John Edwards page also -- that is a failure of that page (and one I worked on when it was in the heat of things) -- and is not a good argument for excluding it here. It's in the Elliot Spitzer, Bill Clinton, David Vitter pages -- in fact, I could find hundreds of articles that follow the WP:LEDE standard. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 21:58, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

And to focus on sports figures, it's in the Kobe Bryant and Michael Vick pages. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 22:14, 13 December 2009 (UTC)

Hidden truth: Tiger is Asian American

As a non-biased source of information, why is Tiger Woods' most-correct ethnicity not labeled as it should. Tiger is Asian American more than anything else, at least more than he is Black. Furthermore, the 'Cablinasian' piece does not belong there, as his comment about his own ethnicity is not notable in the least, just as his preference between a Big Mac and a Whopper is not notable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.209.218.208 (talk) 02:22, 10 December 2009 (UTC)

He is of mixed ancestry; the article details that correctly. Lkjhgfdsa 0 (talk) 18:00, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Year of the tiger

Is it a coincidence that his problems begin on the Chinese New year the "Year of the Tiger", which begins Feb. 14, 2010 (also valentine's day)? Bband11th (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Yes. Dayewalker (talk) 17:44, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Elin Nordegren was verifiably a model

Gregorik removed the statement that Elin Nordegren was a model and added (correctly) that she was also an au pair. I put back in that she was a model, with a source. Gregorik reverted my change stating:

t was already clarified on her page that she was a professional au pair but did minimal (and reluctant) modeling work that did not last.

I could find no such clarification on her talk page -- just a question. However, it is verifiable:

• "former model Elin Nordegren" [1]

• "former Swedish model"[2]

• "part-time model and nanny"[3]

• "Nordegren, a former model born"[4]

How many sources do you want? ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 22:20, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Connections to Anthony Galea

I added information reported by the New York Times and the AP that Woods has been linked to the Canadian sports doctor Anthony Galea, that he was treated by Galea, and that Galea is under investigation by the FBI and RCMP for providing drugs to athletes. Samopolis (talk) 22:41, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Parody film

Adam & Eve (business) has announced that a Tiger Woods-themed parody film, "Tiger's Wood", is now in production and that it will star Tyler Knight and Kayden Kross. Should that film get its own (separate) article, or should it be mentioned in this article instead? [5] —Preceding unsigned comment added by 134.29.154.4 (talk) 14:52, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

Doubt it and no. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 19:25, 15 December 2009 (UTC)

No until the film is widely available in the market and if the deletionists don't delete it.--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 20:11, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Legal Name

Didn't Tiger legally change his name? If so, shouldn't he be listed as his legal name, with a parenthetical "born Eldrick Tont Woods" or something like that? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.134.37.3 (talk) 14:16, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

He considered it but didn't do it. See Talk:Tiger Woods/Archive 3#Real Name? Tewapack (talk) 16:15, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Note on past- or present-tense

I've seen a lot of changing his status from "is a professional golfer" to "was a professional golfer". Is there any consensus on this? I know he's taken an indefinite break, but since there doesn't seem to be discussion, I am changing "was" to "is"; for all we know, he could start up again tomorrow. —Duncan (that's me!)^{What I Do} / _{What I Say} 16:34, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Agreed, there's no consensus or logic behind changing it to past tense. Dayewalker (talk) 16:58, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

UK legal injunction

Woods via London based lawyers Schillings tonight gained an injunction. The BBC have gone cautious on the reasoning, while the respected broadsheet the Guardian has come out and said its an injunction on nude photographs. It is a highly unusual injunction, and will probably make it to Wikipedia via the Privacy in English law article. If he was a Brit, I would insert it immediately, but as an American I am more reticent. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 00:34, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

It is already in the article. ∴ Therefore cogito·sum 00:35, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

I have just reinserted the section on the UK legal injunction removed by Chaser. We now have context, in that Jungers took the photos for release in case the couple ever broke up. No wonder the lawyers rushed to the UK Courts - our tabloid press would have lapped it up for big money, and quicker than the US press would ever have considered. It also suggests that in her mind, the relationship was more serious than just an occasional sexual liason. Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 02:38, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

And now here's the News of the World story from Jungers, headlined as TIGER WOODS CHEATED AS DAD DIED. Guess it would have been a different article had those pictures been allowed! Rgds, --Trident13 (talk) 00:45, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Wife leaving

I have read in some trustworthy news websites that it is confirmed the wife is leaving with the kids. Should this be added? Thanks--Camilo Sanchez (talk) 20:08, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

You mean this? [6]Cadenas2008 (talk) 09:30, 18 December 2009 (UTC)

Yep apparently and why not. The cheat had unprotected sex with porn stars and then his wife. Has she an STD now. Good on ya Tiger, or is that 'Rat Woods' now.

From http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/tiger-woods-mistresses-now-11-tabs/story?id=9289650

A second porn star has joined the ranks of Tiger Woods' alleged lovers, bringing the golfer's score of purported paramours who have come forward or been named in the tabloids to at least 11.Joslyn James, star of "Porn Star Brides," joins a lingerie model, an unnamed television broadcaster, a pancake waitress with a thing for sex in parking lots, and a host of women who spend lots of time in nightclubs, on the ever-growing list of women rumored to have engaged in affairs with Woods.

Is he, was he, just another drug cheat, over sexed, over paid, black athlete who believed the lie he was living? --Jones.liam (talk) 22:20, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Drugs

Yep this maybe why he was so good. Nothing Wood surprise me.

from http://www.rightcelebrity.com/?p=7503

According to reports, Canadian Dr. Anthony Galea, who treated Tiger Woods and a multitude of other professional athletes is being investigated by the FBI. He is suspected of administering athletes with performance-enhancing drugs.

Lets see what pans out and if its bona fide put it in --Jones.liam (talk) 22:15, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

Thai Honors

The article says Tiger politely turned down offers of Thai citizenship and honors. This is not how things were played out in Thai press. This event is remembered there, as him denying his Thai heritage and insulting the Thai people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.147.110.167 (talk) 16:39, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Events turning into a 'sex scandal'

What was once known as the "alleged affairs" and later "marital infidelities" is now generally called a "sex scandal", even in 'respcted' news media such as Reuters, Associated Press, and Times of India. Is this article also ready to adopt the most recent term? --Hapsala (talk) 01:32, 16 December 2009 (UTC)

Be bold and edit is what wikipedia exhorts. If it walks and talks like a sex scandal it is one. Yes it should be in. --Jones.liam (talk) 20:51, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

He cut a deal with National Enquirer to keep his affair hushed up

Says so right here: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704238104574602293033609948.html?mod=article-outset-box —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.189.90.68 (talk) 01:41, 21 December 2009 (UTC)

Furman Bisher's inside story

Veteran sportswriter and the former sports editor of the Atlanta Journal Constitution, Furman Bisher, is writing details of the Tiger Woods car accident that he says he has received from a trustworthy journalist he has known for years:

According to Bisher's story, on Thanksgiving Day, after dinner, Woods spent the afternoon watching football and texting Rachel Uchitel, his first alleged mistress. He deleted each message as he received it so as not to leave any evidence for his wife, Elin Nordegren, to see. Woods left his home around 7:30 p.m. to play poker with friends but he left behind his cell phone with a text message on it that he forgot to delete. When he returned a little before midnight, Nordegren confronted him over it and over more incriminating evidence, possibly photos. Woods wouldn't confess despite his wife's insistence. Nordegren apparently lost it and struck Woods on the face with a 9-iron. That caused a gash on the right side of his head and almost knocked out two of his front teeth. Woods ran out of the house without shoes. According to published reports, he was not wearing shoes when he crashed in front of his home. Nordegren chased after him with the club. After the crash, Nordegren wasn't sure what to tell police, which explains her reported conflicting stories. As soon as Woods was released from the hospital on that Friday after Thanksgiving, with the help of his agent, he flew to Phoenix to be treated by a plastic surgeon. http://furmanbisher.wordpress.com/2009/12/26/updated-inside-story-on-tiger-woods/ --Hapsala (talk) 14:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

This is very likely a load of Internet complete bollocks. It is unsuitable per WP:BLP unless some firm evidence emerges.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:02, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

To expand on this, the story told by Bisher has been making the rounds of the e-mail inboxes for some time, which is always a worrying sign. David Mikkelson of the urban legends site Snopes was asked to comment and pointed out some of its implausibilities.[7] Other news sources have also suggested that it is a hoax e-mail.[8]. It is interesting that Furman Bisher introduces the story on his website as a "Forwarded story", which is how urban legends often spread. Definitely caution on this one.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 19:59, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

EA Still Supports Him

According to Peter Moore on his blog, EA Sports will continue to support Tiger Woods http://www.easports.com/blogs/itsinthegame/post/slug/ea-sports-moves-forward-with-tiger-woods-pga-tour-online-launch-in-january Mechageo (talk) 17:14, 5 January 2010 (UTC)

Court order

A letter about the injunction sent out by Woods' London lawyers can be found here. It is interesting because the order was granted by David Eady, who has been seen as the rich man's friend when it comes to embarrassing stories in the UK press.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:59, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

A small forward reference

The "career" section of the article should include, in chronological sequence (i.e. at the end, for the time being) a subsection of one or two sentences mentioning Woods's hiatus from pro golf and directing the reader to the appropriate part of the "personal life" section. Of course, duplication between the two sections should be minimized. --208.76.104.144 (talk) 08:45, 2 January 2010 (UTC)

Suggested split of Tiger Woods career biography

It has been suggested that the career section be split to a new article titled Tiger Woods career biography due to excessive length issues. See discussion at WT:GOLF#Tiger Woods career biography. Please do not reply here. _wjemather^bigissue 23:46, 9 January 2010 (UTC)

Mille e tre

What does this sentence mean? As of December 25, 2009, the count was 14 women. 14 mistresses? Women who (publicly) claimed to be mistresses? This sentence seems derogatory, not only to Woods but also to the women. Anyway, who is counting, the New York Times, Leporello, or the National Enquirer? --194.24.138.3 (talk) 23:51, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

The 14 women claim comes from [9]. This section was removed because it was somewhat redundant: "As of December 25, 2009, the count was 14 women. The Walt Disney Company had mocked Woods with a reference written into its California Adventure Park Aladdin show". The section already says that over a dozen women claim to have had relationships with Woods, and the Disney theme park angle is not hugely notable.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:30, 12 January 2010 (UTC)

Tiger to seek treatment for sexual addiction

This article: [10] , reports that Tiger has entered sex rehab at Pine Grove Behavioral Health Services in Hattiesburg, MS, as of January 15, 2010. This should be added to the section on his infidelities, once it has been confirmed. - KennethHampton (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:32, 15 January 2010 (UTC).

Not only that site, but many more, such as our local news station in Hattiesburg. They just built higher walls to prevent the stupid paps (that came over here, because MS does not have such people) from trying to look in the windows and snap pictures. It's crazy. —Mike Allen 08:49, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

There was a lot about this in the international media yesterday, eg here. There are some issues of privacy here, although it does appear that Woods is currently in Hattiesburg, Mississippi.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:25, 22 January 2010 (UTC)

Some links are out of date

At the external links section I found some links pointing to inappropriate place. --89.134.157.40 (talk) 01:36, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Typo in article

There is a typo in the article, in the subsection "Golf Course Design" it is said that Tiger Woods will design a course in Esenada, Baja California. The name of the city is Ensenada

There is a second, in the "Marital infidelity" section. Last paragraph, first word. "Woods" should be "Woods' "

A small point in the first section: should a golfer be described as an 'athlete'? Would not a 'sportsman' be a more accurate generic description of his profession? --Wally Tharg (talk) 10:57, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Athlete is American English usage. Sportsman in American English usually indicates one who participates in hunting and fishing. Rmhermen (talk) 17:04, 20 February 2010 (UTC)

Personal life

It seems a bit weird, particularly in the current context, that personal life begings with marriage. Is anything known about his previous relationships?BorisG (talk) 05:05, 30 January 2010 (UTC)

Image

Can someone find an image of Woods and Elin.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 22:40, 9 February 2010 (UTC)

Had a look on Commons, nothing there. Since both are living persons, fair use would be difficult. This would require a copyright free image to be donated.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 01:04, 10 February 2010 (UTC)

Background and family

It's losing track, not loosing track.

 Done--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 16:27, 16 March 2010 (UTC)

Song dedicated to Woods

South Korean rapper Cho PD recently dedicated a song called Sex Sex Sex to Tiger Woods [11]. Is this significant enough to be added to the article? Limey26 (talk) 10:24, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Probably not, without some more media coverage. The best known satire of Woods' current woes is the online game Tiger Hunting, mentioned here in the Los Angeles Times. Good fun, but is it notable enough for the article?--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 11:18, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Wins table

Why is the wins table so rainbow-coloured?

[12] The calculation for total wins in note 1 used 8 European wins instead of 38; this looks like an error. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.234.134.17 (talk) 08:00, 19 April 2010 (UTC)

Errors in the Marital Infidelity section

Since I can't update the article, I'll just post this here:

There are two errors in the "marital infidelity and career break" section. First is a typo in the second to last paragraph of "returnting" over "returning". The second is in the last sentence, where the interview is dated to March 24th (a date that hasn't happened yet), as opposed to the correct date of March 21st. If someone could fix these, that would be awesome! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.35.7.148 (talk) 02:32, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Done. Thanks! Firsfron of Ronchester 03:26, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

This article currently states: "He admitted that he had been unfaithful to his wife." On February 19, 2010, Tiger Woods did not state: "I have been unfaithful to my wife.". Has Tiger Woods ever admitted that he cheated on his wife? Is it certain that Tiger Woods did not instead engage in stupid, selfish and irresponsible behavior by cheating on his food and/or beverage diet? - Servant David (talk) 21:10, 5 April 2010 (UTC)

Blades

Tiger no longer uses the VR TW blades. He is back to using his nike blades that he used before. Thats all they're called Tiger also changed the shaft in his driver. He doesn't have the white board shaft anymore. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.114.109.162 (talk) 03:24, 3 March 2010 (UTC)

Woods' wife 'not allowed in ambulance'

This is in the news today. Interesting, but raises WP:BLP issues.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 09:23, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

Marital infidelity and career break

whoever wrote that Tiger Woods Committed Suicide today should take it off he never commited suicide —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.65.179.251 (talk) 21:18, 14 July 2010 (UTC)

On March ?? 24?? 2010, he was interviewed by Tom Rinaldi..... Today is March 21 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.206.128.2 (talk) 02:31, 22 March 2010 (UTC)

Source 253 and its corresponding comment should be removed, as that source only cites a known, unreliable source--THE NATIONAL ENQUIRER. If a source like the National Enquirer is not a valid source, then a source citing the invalid source--and its corresponding material--should be removed. This is where Wikipedia can go terribly wrong. At the very least, the source should be reported as the National Enquirer so that it may be discarded out of hand. Rastabada (talk) 18:05, 11 July 2010 (UTC)

Interview

Tiger Woodswas on today's showhe did and interview only one —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.57.30.32 (talk) 01:31, 24 March 2010 (UTC)

List of the women

We need a list of the women he's been linked to, it's like Undertaker's streak everytime ya lopok up, it's another name added to the list, what is it 15, 16? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.183.60.33 (talk) 20:23, 2 April 2010 (UTC)

Ryder Cup 2008

he did not play in the ryder cup in 2008, through injury. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 143.167.217.161 (talk) 03:24, 10 April 2010 (UTC)

Equipment

Is an equipment section really necessary? I almost get the impression Nike posted it and then Callaway followed up and did the same to Phil Mickelson's page. Should Wikipedia really be hawking their gear? I don't see it as being pertinent biographical information beyond the fact Nike is trying to sell clubs, golf balls and gloves...Neutralis (talk) 22:35, 11 April 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from Suchy5885, 10 May 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Tiger Woods withdrew from The Players Championship after fearing he might have has a bulging disk.

Suchy5885 (talk) 16:21, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Not done: Welcome and thanks. You need to provide a reliable source for this and the exact text you would like to have inserted. Celestra (talk) 19:53, 10 May 2010 (UTC)

Edit request from 67.98.222.15, 16 June 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Replace (represents birth-death date) | spouse = Elin Nordegren (2004–present) with (represents marriage start-end date) | spouse =

Elin Nordegren

​

(m. 2004)​

(If you want to be consistent with wife - more asthetic) Replace | children = Sam Alexis (b. 2007), Charlie Axel (b. 2009) with | children = Sam Alexis Woods (b. 2007)
Charlie Axel Woods (b. 2009)

refer to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elin_Nordegren 67.98.222.15 (talk) 12:59, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

Not done: thanks for the suggestion. The article as it stands is consistent with other articles that use {{Infobox Golfer}}, so I don't think there's any reason to change it. Tim Pierce (talk) 14:31, 16 June 2010 (UTC)

World number 1

He is on the brink of relinquishing his number 1 title to Phil Mickelson. I was thinking of maybe suggesting that addition, or would it be better to wait until he actually does relinquish the number 1 ranking? WrightisRight05 (talk) 01:19, 8 August 2010 (UTC)

Personally, I think making the change at the moment would be just slightly too crystal ball-y. Granted, it may seem more like common sense than crystal ball, but the point is, it's typically best for the article to just stick with what is, rather than what might/will be. If there's a particularly large number of reliable sources making a similar claim, then it might be worth reconsidering, but for now, I think it preferable to simply wait for the inevitable to happen. Of course, I've been known to be wrong before. :) 209.90.135.227 (talk) 21:30, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

The #1 ranking is determined by points earned over a 2-year period. Any source saying Woods is no longer #1 is likely incorrect. When Woods does lose his #1 spot it's going to be national news so there's no point saying he's no longer #1 according to some dubious source(s).Wlmg (talk) 21:50, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Well, I believe the actual suggestion was to change it to something akin to, He is currently the World no. 1, though this is likely to change soon due to his recent poor performance (yadda yadda yadda)...

Nobody's claiming that he's lost the title yet; it's just highly theorized (and probably true) that he's going to lose the ranking. Of course, all of that future-i-ness is why I personally prefer to simply wait for it to happen. 209.90.135.227 (talk) 00:57, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

That may all well and true, but it's still editorializing. Who knows he might announce his retirement and it'll be a whole different story. Wlmg (talk) 01:39, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Edit requested

{{editsemiprotected}} Under Personal life, and other the following sentences is written: Woods and his wife own a 155-foot (47 m) yacht called Privacy, berthed in Florida. The $20 million, 6,500 square feet (600 m2) vessel features a master suite, six staterooms, a theatre, gym, and Jacuzzi, and sleeps 21 people. Registered...

I think the "and his wife" part should be omitted. As far as I can tell she did not get the yacht in the divorce, and is no longer his wife. I think I may be a bit nit-picky here but I think it might be better worded like that. WrightisRight05 (talk) 22:41, 9 August 2010 (UTC)

Requests to edit semi-protected articles must be accompanied by reference(s) to reliable sources so it appears your request cannot be completed as it now stands. If an appropriate reference can be supplied, then please use another {{editsemiprotected}}.
Thanks, Shearonink (talk) 00:43, 10 August 2010 (UTC)
 Not done

Minor typo

 Done (sort of)

The phrase:

  "... 10 million dollar bonus ..."

(at the very end of the "Endorsements" section, about 1/2 down the page) is missing the dollar sign.

It should read:

  "... $10 million dollar bonus... ".

--Fish (David B. Trout) (talk) 14:43, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Looks fine as it is to me although for consistency within the prose, I have changed it to "$10 million bonus". The phrase should use either the dollar sign or the word dollar, not both. _wjemather^bigissue 17:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)

Not the first athlete to have earned a billion dollars

Tiger is the first athlete in modern times to have earned over a billion dollars. Just not the first in recorded history. The first recorded athlete to have broke a billion dollars in today's dollars was a Roman chariot racer who amassed roughly 15 billion dollars in today's dollars, or 35,863,120 sesterces. His name was Gaius Appuleius Diocles.

http://news.discovery.com/history/highest-paid-athlete-hailed-from-ancient-rome.html

Tiger may have the rough task of facing the media, his ex-wife, and ex-lovers. Gaius faced death in the arena. Perspective people. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.110.153.162 (talk) 11:05, 5 September 2010 (UTC)

So basically, you're saying Tiger IS the first to earn a billion dollars. Your roman earned 35,000,000 sesterces, not a billion dollars. If we're going to start using that logic, than Titanic isn't the first film to score a billion dollars at the box office. Tiger is the first athlete to earn a billion dollars. SuperAtheist (talk) 12:51, 2 March 2011 (UTC)

Edit Request: Further Reading update

This is kind of a minor thing, but one of the "further reading" books points to an old edition. The new information for "Tiger Woods: A Biography" is: "Londino, Lawrence J. (2010). Tiger Woods: A Biography. Santa Barbara, Calif: Greenwood Press. ISBN 9780313380501. OCLC 542321832"

I got the information from its Amazon page: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0313380503/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.136.253.98 (talk) 01:52, 14 November 2010 (UTC)

1/4 Thai, 1/4 Chinese?

His mother is Thai-Chinese. That does not mean 1/2 Thai and 1/2 Chinese, it means she is Thai with Chinese ancestors. A large chunk of Thailand is Thai-Chinese and they have been here for hundreds of years. I would like to adjust his ancestry numbers accordingly (removing any Chinese % from his mothers side), if there are no objections. 58.8.15.206 (talk) 14:27, 28 November 2010 (UTC) In addition to the former comment, he is not 1/2 chinese, as his father is "rumored" to have chinese ancestry due to an inside family joke (see Earl woods article) Tiger is therefore not 1/2 chinese. Earl woods has native american ancestry, however he is not half native american, this also does not make Tiger 1/4 native american, as many americans have native american ancestry. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dollykola (talk • contribs) 22:05, 15 July 2011 (UTC)

Putter

New to wiki, Tiger has switched back to his older 35" Scotty Cameron Newport 2 putter by Titleist although he has been allegedly practicing with various nike method putters aswell —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.74.168.127 (talk) 20:53, 28 January 2011 (UTC)

Highest-paid professional athlete in the world

It says in the intro that Tiger Woods "is the highest-paid professional athlete in the world". Is that really still true? Or should the sentence be changed to "was the highest-paid professional athlete in the world"? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.103.207.202 (talk) 18:49, 7 May 2011 (UTC)

Well according to Forbes: http://www.thenewage.co.za/19983-12-53-Winless_Tiger_still_tops_Forbes_richest_athlete_list apparently it may still be true, though one has to wonder how long that will last. FWest2 (talk) 23:59, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

*Current* Highest-paid professional athlete in the world

As far as i know he is the current highest paid in the world, not the highest paid sportsman of all time which is what i feel the introduction should include, "The current highest paid sportsman in the world"

The highest paid of all time was a chariot racer from the roman times, something that equates to over 1billion in todays money from 100-300races — Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.215.64.5 (talk) 02:10, 19 November 2011 (UTC)

Contradiction for Tiger's genealogy from his father Earl

For some reason, the Asianweek source (which appears to be poorly referenced) cites that Tiger's father, Earl, is 1/4 Chinese and 1/4 Native American, when one can clearly look at Earl's wiki page to see that his is not. Earl's mother is 1/2 white and 1/2 black, as stated in his wiki, and his father is clearly black. The source is from a reliable source via: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/1517444/Earl-Woods.html which was posted no long after Earl passed away. They hinted, there's some traces of Native American blood in Earl, but only "joked" about the Chinese part. Someone please correct Tiger's genealogy section. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.102.249.7 (talk) 02:17, 5 December 2011 (UTC)

There still seems to be a miss-representation of Tiger's bloodline. From my previous discussion which refuted Tiger's father, Earl's, Chinese Ancestry and made known that Earl is actually 3/4 Black and 1/4 White, the previous editing just lazily removed the amount "1/4" in front of Chinese and Native American (but kept both ethnicity) and completely disregard how that would affect Tiger's genealogy in the remaining of that paragraph. To make the record straight: Earl is 3/4 Black, 1/4 White, and Kultida is 1/2 Thai, 1/4 Chinese and 1/4 Dutch. This would make Tiger 3/8 Black, 1/4 White, 1/4 Thai and 1/8 Chinese. Would change this thoroughly please? 12/8/2012 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.183.202.44 (talk) 04:51, 9 December 2011 (UTC)

Will someone please fix this line: This makes Woods himself half Asian (one-quarter Chinese and one-quarter Thai), one-quarter African American, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch.[22] This is clearly mistaken as I have mentioned before. Thanks. Still no Update as of 1/6/12.

Article Quality

I found this article to be extremely informative with excellent structure -- headlines, breaks, citations; overall, one of the best articles I've read on Wikipedia. Good job on this one. 151.52.0.25 (talk) 10:20, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

Legally Blind correction

From the article: "Woods underwent laser eye surgery in 1999. Before this surgery, Woods eyesight was minus 11, meaning he was almost legally blind." Per Wikipedia, "In North America and most of Europe, legal blindness is defined as visual acuity (vision) of 20/200 (6/60) or less in the better eye with best correction possible." Therefore, without stating what Tiger Woods' corrected vision is, it would be incorrect to assume he was legally blind. StonewallJKrantz (talk) 01:33, 20 June 2011 (UTC)

Hobe Sound, Florida

At the PGA Championship, they introduced him no longer being from Windermere, FL, but from being from Hobe Sound, FL. I am wondering should we go ahead and change his residence to the new location.SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? (talk) 23:02, 12 August 2011 (UTC)

Vulgar, Unencyclopaedic

There is a (cited) quote where Tiger asks his limo driver if women like black guys because they have big dicks. This has no place in an encyclopedia article, and adds nothing to the subject matter. I'd remove it, but the article is locked. Actually, the section on infidelity is far too large compared to the rest of the article; since he's a professional golfer, it would make more sense to have a small sentence or paragraph summarizing the infidelity and the distraction it caused to his golf game, not a play-by-play of every headline that occurred. 99.98.221.223 (talk) 13:41, 21 August 2011 (UTC)

Cave Diver

Tiger Woods is a certified Cave Diver. I have personally (and almost literally) run in to him in an underwater cave in Florida. Some information can be found here http://www.gainesville.com/article/20080609/NEWS/35825185 . There is a lot more first hand information available, but I doubt any of it can be verified. I am under the impression that he was told by is lawyers to stop Cave Diving for contractual reasons.71.4.236.2 (talk) 23:47, 5 September 2011 (UTC)

Unless he dives in caves competitively, or was attacked by a cave-shark, or has hosted a TV show about cave-diving, . . . I don't see how this would be relevant. It just happens to be something that you personally know about. Woods presumably has a great many facets to his life in addition to golf. It may be that he raises petunias, or likes to grill chicken on the patio, or prefers red wine over white, but none of those activities would be automatically Wikipedia-worthy. --Michael K Smith^Talk 17:10, 21 December 2011 (UTC)

Racist content removed

5 January 2012 (8:12 pm PST) Article read: "Eldrick Tont "Tiger" Woods (born December 30, 1975) is an ugly and Indian-looking American professional golfer whose achievements... I removed the words "ugly and Indian-looking" from the first sentence of the article. Symmerhill (a.k.a. Summerhill) (talk) 04:44, 6 January 2012 (UTC)

This article is extremely long

At roughly 186k, this article, while quite informative, seems excessively long. (See WP:SIZE.) I think the career section (about 66k in itself) should be moved to a separate article and replaced here with a summary, and virtually every other section could be condensed to some degree. I intend to undertake these tasks in the near future. Theoldsparkle (talk) 16:35, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Using the tool described at WP:SIZE, namely, User:Dr pda/prosesize results in the following:

Document statistics: (See here for details.)

    * File size: 732 kB
    * Prose size (including all HTML code): 124 kB
    * References (including all HTML code): 20 kB
    * Wiki text: 182 kB
    * Prose size (text only): 77 kB (13472 words) "readable prose size"
    * References (text only): 1547 B

So the 77k of "readable prose" is the number to look at per WP:SIZERULE. Some trimming may be necessary but I won't split off the career section. Tewapack (talk) 17:27, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

Well, no one's asking you to split off the career section; I'm expressing my intention to do it myself, unless there's a consensus here otherwise. I assume you're not suggesting you own the article. (I'll also note that 77k, per WP:SIZERULE, is right between "Probably should be divided" and "Almost certainly should be divided", so it's hardly a ringing endorsement for keeping it the current size.) Theoldsparkle (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I've prepared a draft summary of the career section at User:Theoldsparkle/tiger, if anyone would like to look at it for a better idea of my intentions. To be clear, this is what would be at Tiger Woods, with a link at the top of the section to Career of Tiger Woods (or another title if a better one is suggested), which would contain the text currently at Tiger Woods#Professional career.Theoldsparkle (talk) 21:01, 13 January 2012 (UTC)

I've split the content to Professional golf career of Tiger Woods as discussed above. I intend to work further on improving this article (Tiger Woods) but most likely that won't happen until after tomorrow's blackout. Theoldsparkle (talk) 19:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Re-reading what I wrote, I see that I mis-spoke. I meant to say that "I wouldn't split off the career section". I don't think it is necessary. If the 2009 to 2011 sections were trimmed and the marriage/scandal/divorce sections were trimmed, I think the article could be brought a lot closer to 60k of readable prose (and I think the caveat "although the scope of a topic can sometimes justify the added reading time" from WP:SIZERULE applies here). The main problem that I have with splitting of the pro career section is that is the section that details why Woods is famous. It seems a shame that a reader has to go to another article for the details. Tewapack (talk) 23:47, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

I understand your point. However, I think the end of your comment illuminates a second issue that's relevant here, that I didn't realize until after I started trying to make improvements. It's not simply a matter of long vs. short; it's a matter of more detailed vs. more summarized. From my perspective, it makes sense that the casual reader should be able to come to this article and, fairly easily, get a basic understanding of the course of Woods' career and, as you say, why he's so famous. I think this need is better met by the shortened version that's here now (approx. 850 words), than by the long version that was here before (approx 7,000 words). It seems unlikely to me that most readers who want to get that basic understanding would want to read 7,000 words for it. But I don't mean to suggest that nobody would appreciate all that additional detail, and that's why it also makes sense to me to keep the long version, but at a separate article so that the content is still available for those looking for it.

If the split were reversed and all the career content moved back here, I would argue for cutting it down fairly drastically, so that it would come somewhat closer to the current version than the previous version, and my reasoning would be based partly on size but probably more on what would best serve most readers. Which, despite my initial comments which were based on size alone, is really now my motivation for trying to improve the article. I think the line you quoted from WP:SIZERULE is saying that if you've created the best possible article, and it happens to be longer than generally recommended, you shouldn't feel the need to cut it down for the sake of meeting the guideline. But it seems to me the best possible article is one that is accessible to most readers; is organized in a logical fashion; shows a coherent discrimination in what is included and what's not; and is up-to-date with current information instead of whatever someone added years ago that nobody ever looked at again. I think a shortening of the article is a natural outcome of trying to meet those goals. Theoldsparkle (talk) 21:39, 19 January 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

It should be mentioned that caddy Steve Williams was let go by Tiger in July 2011 (http://espn.go.com/golf/story/_/id/6787301/tiger-woods-gets-rid-steve-williams-caddie) Billsoman (talk) 18:57, 16 January 2012 (UTC)Billsoman

This is discussed in the section about Woods' golf career. I recently removed it from the lede, as in my perspective, it wasn't among the article's most important aspects, but if there's consensus here that I'm wrong and it is very important information that should be in the lede, I'd accept that. (But before I took it out, it looked like it had been included there because at one time it was current news and nobody ever bothered to look at it again.) Theoldsparkle (talk) 19:19, 17 January 2012 (UTC)

Infidelity/divorce sources

To explain why I reverted this January 30 edit by User:FrankEldonDixon, which bore the edit summary: "added detail on # of affairs (Rinaldi interview; it was referenced on a previous version of this article), and some divorce settlement details (which was also referenced in a previous version of the article))". I went back to the January 10 version of this article, the last version preceding any changes I made, to check for references on these points.

The first change on Jan 30 added the text: Woods was interviewed by Tom Rinaldi of ESPN in a segment which appeared on the Golf Channel, and admitted to having "about 120 affairs". The Jan 10 version said: On March 21, 2010, Woods was interviewed by Tom Rinaldi, his first interview after the incident.[302] On April 29, 2010, the National Enquirer reported that Woods had confessed to his wife that he had cheated on her with at least 120 women in five years.[303]

I had removed the Rinaldi sentence because it didn't seem especially important that he had been interviewed, if the interview itself didn't contain anything newsworthy. (The cited interview transcript is here.) I have no real objection to re-adding the Jan 10 version of that sentence if others think it should be included.

Contrary to the (perhaps unintentional) implication of the Jan 30 edit, the Rinaldi interview transcript says nothing about "120 affairs." As far as I can tell, the only source for that information is the National Enquirer, and other sources reporting that the Enquirer made this claim. I do not believe that the Enquirer is considered a reliable source under our policies, particularly WP:BLP. The most recent discussions of the Enquirer that I found at the Reliable Sources Noticeboard are: here, here, and here, none of which make me think it's acceptable. So I'm uncomfortable with including that claim here, but I am absolutely happy, if requested, to post at RSN or at the BLP noticeboard and ask for clarification on whether the "120 affairs" statement can be included here.

As for the second matter in the Jan 30 edit, the divorce settlement: contrary to the edit summary, there was no apparent reference for that information at least as of Jan 10. I did a quick look for a reference and didn't find anything I felt especially confident about. If someone wishes to include that information, I suggest they find the best source(s) they can, post the sources here, and if necessary we could ask about it at the BLP noticeboard.

I'll also add that an earlier edit summary by User:FrankEldonDixon said the article "has been dramatically sanitized recently", which I'm assuming was in reference to changes I made. I wish to say that my only interest was in improving the article; I have little interest in Woods as a person, or in making him look good or bad. I did think the article was improved by removing some details about the scandal that seemed both excessive and poorly-sourced, and if my neutrality is in question I'm happy to discuss any of my edits and to seek outside opinion. Theoldsparkle (talk) 16:58, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Merge with Earl Woods

It has been proposed that this article and Earl Woods be merged into one article.

• Oppose Earl Woods is notable in his own right. Merging the two articles together would be not only confusing but also create an unnecessarily long combined article.--Paul McDonald (talk) 15:21, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
• Oppose per Paul McDonald. Tewapack (talk) 17:11, 5 March 2012 (UTC)
• Comment: this is bordering on vandalism. An IP with several warnings and blocks for vandalism just pins on a merge-template on Earl Woods without any explanation just to see "what does this do, I wonder?" Stop this now Paaln (talk) 07:05, 6 March 2012 (UTC)
  • Response while you may well be right, I'm willing to assume good faith. Yes, no reason is given and to me it doesn't make any sense to merge--but having the discussion isn't going to hurt anything. If you want to leave a note on the IP's talk page and notify an admin, I think that would be reasonable.--Paul McDonald (talk) 11:52, 6 March 2012 (UTC)

Major Results Timeline

Is there a way to make the green/yellow major results timeline interactive and able to link you to the particular major and year selected from the grid? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.56.8.172 (talk) 18:20, 25 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 26 March 2012

Tiger Woods is the only golfer to hold all four Professional Major Titles at one time.

All2kool (talk) 16:55, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

 Not done Please provide a link to a reliable source for this addition. Pol430 talk to me 21:57, 26 March 2012 (UTC)

Tiger Woods has three career Grand Slams (i.e. he has won all four of the PGA majors three times). He has never won all of them in the same calendar year, although he won three in 2000.[13]. At the time of winning the 2001 Masters Tournament in April 2001, Woods was the holder of all four majors, which has been described as the Tiger Slam.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:03, 27 March 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 9 April 2012

Tiger Woods finished T40 at the 2012 Masters, not T41 as was reported by the media. This requires two edits; one under professional career, and one in the results timeline. Here is a leaderboard from the PGA Tour: http://www.majorschampionships.com/masters/2012/scoring/index.cfm And here is a leaderboard from the official Masters website. http://www.masters.com/en_US/scores/scorespop.html?a=flashpopoutlb

Also, here is a citation for the hiring of Joe LaCava, under playing style. http://www.golfchannel.com/news/doug-ferguson/lacava-working-for-tiger-a-no-brainer/

70.171.39.227 (talk) 03:22, 9 April 2012 (UTC)

 Done Fulfilled by Tewapack. jfd34 (talk) 04:30, 10 April 2012 (UTC)

73 wins

As of today, he has 74 career wins and only trails Sam Snead who has 82 career wins. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.118.131.95 (talk) 22:55, 3 June 2012 (UTC)

Links golf/favourite major

Woods is a well known fan of links golf and has stated that The Open is his favourite major.[14] [15] I feel that this is interesting and worthy of mention in the article, but am unsure as to where it would best fit. Rangoon11 (talk) 19:15, 14 July 2012 (UTC)

Playing style

The "playing style" portion of this needs to be altered in my opinion. Firstly, I think I could write the entire thing better than it is currently written. In fact, I personally think I could improve on almost every portion of the "article," but for now I will just focus on the playing style portion.

Firstly, I am not in full agreement about Tiger's "long drives" having a "large impact" on the world of golf considering it is an opinion and there is no real proof of any real impact Tiger's length off of the tee made. Tiger has never led the tour in driving distance (although he has been ranked 2nd four times (97, 98, 00, 05). I also would like some citation that Tiger actually upgraded both his clubhead and his shaft in 2004. Tiger upgraded his equipment gradually, not all at once. Also, no mention of Tiger changing the length of the shaft of his driver (he had used a shorter than typical shaft on his driver for more accuracy before change it to a standard length) is mentioned. Tiger's actually increase in length was not seen until 2005, which is why I am questioning the current stated year of 2004. Also, while Tiger gained a lot of distance in 2005 and moved to 2nd in the driving distance category, after that year Tiger has slowly moved down the ranking in driving distance. Tiger's current style of play really no longer relies on huge drives. While Tiger still has one of the fastest clubhead speeds, his length is only above average.

Secondly, Mickelson did not "joke" about Tiger using inferior equipment. Mickelson joked about Tiger not liking that Phil could outdrive Tiger. Mickelson's statement about Tiger using inferior equipment was not a joke. He was not refering to the brand of club Tiger played, but stating a fact that Tiger had not upgraded his equipment as it pertains to the technology that had become available which allowed players to hit the ball further, which is also something that is stated in the article, therefore, is being considered a fact, and not a joke. It should be mentioned that Tiger has always been slow to switch to new technology until he is comfortable using it in competition.

Thirdly, the statement about Tiger being coached by Hank Haney working with Tiger Woods to "flatten" his swing plane needs citation. This is also just ONE of MANY things Tiger Woods worked on with Hank Haney. Also, the statement "From March 2004 to 2010, Woods was coached by Hank Haney, who worked on flattening his swing plane. Woods continued to win tournaments with Haney, but his driving accuracy dropped significantly," is very misleading. It talks about Tiger continuing to win tournaments, but then talks about his driving accuracy dropping off significantly, but does not speak of Tiger becoming the game's best wedge player under Hank Haney.

Also, Tiger did not just continue winning tournaments under Hank Haney, but returned to a period of domination equivalent to his period of domination while working with Butch Harmon. In fact, Between 2005-2008 (He worked with Haney from 04-10 and his dominant period started in the second year and continued for four years), Tiger's winning percentage and major winning percentage were practically identical to the percentages under Harmon. Tiger worked with Harmon for a lot longer before he reached his peak domination. It was the retooling of Tiger's swing with Harmon that started in 97 or 98, whichever you prefer to use, and then began a four year period of domination starting the following year from 99-02, just like under Haney, and then died off over the next 2 years after that before leaving Harmon. This is exactly the same as with Haney. Tiger retooled his swing in 04, began a period of domination the following year in 05, which lasted four years (just like under Harmon) between 05-08, and then dropped off for two years (just like under Harmon) before he got rid of Hank (just like with Harmon). And as I said, Tiger's winning percentage and major winning percentage during that four year stretch was identical to his winning percentage and major winning percentage under Harmon. In fact, one could argue that Tiger was a better player under Haney considering the rest of the players had raised their game, and for Tiger to dominate at the same percentage against improved players, Tiger must have improved himself. Tiger also matched his own record adjusted scoring average of 67.79 in 2007 that he set in 2000. This statistic is a scoring average in comparison to the other players, and therefore makes it a comparison to how good he is compared to his peers. For Tiger to have the same scoring average under Haney, means he was just as dominant compared to his peers under Haney as he was under Harmon. Therefore, to simply say he "continued to win tournaments" under Haney is a huge slight. He returned to domination, again returned to the world number 1 ranking by an unprecedented margin, and retained that ranking all way until the second half of 2010 when he lost it due to a drop in his play due to the off course scandal. So, Tiger retooling his swing under Haney should read just like it does concerning the retooling of his swing under Harmon, and should speak about the changes begining to pay off. One thing of particular note is that the current article states that Tiger achieved better distance control from his swing change with Harmon, however, Tiger's distance control was actually superior under Haney (shotlink data backs this up), particularly with his wedges, when Tiger became the best wedge and short iron player in the game (shotlink data also backs this up). Therefore, this article is prejudiced towards Harmon's work with Tiger and Tiger's swing under Harmon compared to his swing under Haney. This prejudice is inaccurate and should be fixed.

Finally, the information concerning Tiger's caddy should not be in the "playing style" section of this article.

I would like to know when and how this will be changed. I would be happy to write an unbiased, fact based "playing style" piece that can replace the current misleading playing style section.

~ AaronVA83 — Preceding unsigned comment added by AaronVA83 (talk • contribs) 15:53, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Be Bold

Hi AaronVA83

Be bold

Cheers WhaleyTim (talk) 19:01, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Top of money list

Should the article state that the AT&T National win put him atop the money list for the first time in x # of weeks?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 15:09, 25 July 2012 (UTC)

Opening sentence

Hi all,

The opening sentence of this article is: "Tiger Woods is an American professional golfer whose achievements to date rank him among the most successful golfers of all time." I noticed that this sentence does not have a source - should a source be added to support this assertion? Thank you. HalG Halgerov994 (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

Probably not - See WP:LEADCITE- The opening sentence seems non-controversial and summarises referenced material later in the article. WhaleyTim (talk) 22:27, 28 July 2012 (UTC)

It seems to me that the assertion "achievements to date rank him among the most successful golfers of all time" is a factual statement that requires a source according to the rules of wikipedia. Whether it is controversial or not seems immaterial to the fact that it is currently unsourced - can you please explain in more detail why a source is not required? If it is an uncontroversial statement, certainly a source can be easily found? Halgerov994 (talk) 04:13, 4 August 2012 (UTC)

I think WhaleyTim is saying that the achievements are well-cited throughout the article that confirm him as among the most successful. I'll make a different argument, though. You're wrong in saying that calling him among the most successful is a factual statement that should be sourced. The ways in which success is measured is completely subjective. So a source stating it would still just be their opinion. Suppose I believe that Ben Hogan, Jack Nicklaus and Sam Sneed are the three most successful golfers because of their three respective unique achievements. Well let's say I don't believe Tiger Woods is among these three in success. How many golfers are allowed to be "among the most successful?" 3? 4? 17? 100? Among the most successful is a subjective statement. A source supporting an opinion isn't a reason that a subjective POV should be on a wiki article anyways. What needs to happen is that the opinion should be changed to a fact. See Michael Jordan's page. It has a similar type of statement written as "(Jordan's) biography on the National Basketball Association (NBA) website states, 'By acclamation, Michael Jordan is the greatest basketball player of all time.'" with citation. The article is stating the fact that the NBA said this about him. If we could change the article from opinion to fact in a similar way, I think that would be better. Dancindazed (talk) 16:55, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

Agreed! What would be your proposed wording here? Halgerov994 (talk) 18:59, 11 August 2012 (UTC)

I don't know; just find a reputable source (preferably one high regarded for its association with golf) that says something similar and state that it was written, or quote it, as a fact, instead of an opinion from the writer. I personally don't care enough to look for such a quote but I'm sure they're out there. Dancindazed (talk) 23:21, 16 August 2012 (UTC)

Too Much on 2012

The 2012 season has almost as much space devoted to it as Woods' entire carer prior to 2012. Too much detail about tournaments that, ultimately, are historically insignificant. I humbly suggest a major paring-down of the 2012 material. That, or give every prior year the same amount of attention - which would make for one long article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.125.96.200 (talk) 05:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Professional golf career of Tiger Woods doesn't yet have any material on Woods in 2012. It can all go there without losing any valuable material. Marcus Qwertyus (talk) 10:14, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

At the beginning of 2012, I moved the insanely detailed content to the separate career article and replaced it here with a hacked-down version. After I did that, the editor who writes this insanely detailed content continued adding it here, which is why the article is so summarized up to 2012 and then becomes insanely detailed. I had vaguely been planning to come back in mid-year, move the new details to the career article and hack it down again here, but I haven't gotten around to it yet (of course anyone else is welcome to work on that if they wish). Theoldsparkle (talk) 18:59, 20 August 2012 (UTC)

I have moved the 2012 details to Professional golf career of Tiger Woods and replaced it in this article with a summary. Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:10, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request on 1 September 2012

The Tiger Woods page should discuss the infidelity scandal in the intro section. This scandal had such a large impact that it is now widely associated with the mention of his name, in addition to his professional golf accomplishments. To not mention this in the intro is to play-down the impact this event had on his life, which is a disservice to those wishing to learn about Tiger Woods via wikipedia. Thricesplice (talk) 11:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Not done: please establish a consensus for this alteration before using the {{edit semi-protected}} template. He'll always be known as a golfer. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 12:31, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

I agree that the scandal should be mentioned in the intro; however, it is mentioned in the intro (in the middle of the second paragraph). I don't think that significantly more emphasis on the scandal is needed. If you still feel it should be improved, you should draft the specific change you're requesting (i.e., the words you think should be inserted or changed) and post it here for consideration. Theoldsparkle (talk) 13:13, 4 September 2012 (UTC)

Edit request

"In July 2010, Forbes announced Tiger Woods as the richest sportsman in the world earning a reported $105m according to them and $90.5m according to Sports Illustrated." - Should be "highest-earning" instead of "richest" in that context, right?

The reference to Jack Nicklaus should be hyperlinked to "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Nicklaus" — Preceding unsigned comment added by Lmewshaw (talk • contribs) 19:26, 22 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit request

As of August 12, 2012, he is ranked #3 - As of September 24, 2012, he is ranked #2 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.182.107.19 (talk) 20:03, 25 September 2012 (UTC)

October 2012

Please change the link from [[AT&T]] to [[AT&T Inc.|AT&T]] for simplifying disambiguation, per Talk:AT&T#Incoming links to AT&T. 12.153.112.21 (talk) 03:01, 16 October 2012 (UTC)

Nike advert a.k.a. Equipment section

Do we really need so much detail in the equipment section? It looks like blatant promotion for Nike and isn't something that I've seen (thankfully) on any other golfing bio pages. Is it not sufficient to simply note that Nike are his sponsors? Quite how our understanding of Woods is supposed to be enhanced by knowing what his gloves are called frankly escapes me. danno_uk 08:53, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

I'm sure there are a lot of people who are into golf who would like to know what equipment is used by any professional. That doesn't mean I feel strongly about keeping the information, but I'd lean toward the side of keeping it. It doesn't feel to me like an advertisement (a mention in that section that Nike sponsors Woods would seem justified, to mitigate any impression that Woods just happens to love Nike products). Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:05, 14 December 2012 (UTC)

U.S. Amateur titles.

The article states that Tiger was the first golfer to win the U.S. Amateur title three years in a row (1994, 1995, 1996). This is simply not true. Juli Inkster won the U.S. Amateur title in 1980, 1981 and 1982.108.89.219.47 (talk) 18:26, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Inkster won the U.S. Women's Amateur not the U.S. Amateur. Tewapack (talk) 23:32, 10 March 2013 (UTC)

Edit Request

Should be Jim Liu instead of Jin liu — Preceding unsigned comment added by 142.68.88.218 (talk) 22:59, 25 March 2013 (UTC)

•  Done--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:37, 26 March 2013 (UTC)

Fairway Wood

5-wood should be a Nike VR_S Covert(19°) with Mitsubishi Diamana Blue Board 103 X-flex shaft. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tpelley17 (talk • contribs) 17:12, 27 March 2013 (UTC)

Carrer Achievements Error

It says that Tiger is 15-1 when leading or trailing going into the final round of a major, but Tiger has only won 14 majors, so he cannot be 15-1. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.153.242.94 (talk) 22:27, 7 April 2013 (UTC)

Found unconscious and bleeding from the mouth

The police found Woods lying in the street, unconscious, and bleeding from the mouth. And his wife holding a gold club. Why is this police confirmed information being hidden by Wikipedia ? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.99.234.66 (talk) 11:38, 12 April 2013 (UTC)

This biography of Woods contains approximately 500 words about his infidelity scandal and related fallout, which I think most people find sufficient; it's not necessary to cover every extreme detail. The article links to several reliable news sources about the car crash incident. Theoldsparkle (talk) 13:34, 15 April 2013 (UTC)

Controversy section/masters '13/ favoritism

And entire section should be added addressing not only the recent events at the masters but any history of recieving favorablee treatments. This last one is the straw breaking the back. Mass media outlets like ESPN/CBS etc. blatantly lied about the rules, and wikipedia will not reflect their propaganda. The rule the master's morons claimed tiger was saved by does not even apply to him. The rule was not supposed to be applied to people who were ignorant of the rule. Additionally, many people in the know have noted the sheer impossibility that they could have originally reviewed this drop and not have immediately known he violated the rule, as he is clearly several feet from his original spot. 68.115.53.79 (talk) 13:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC) This wiki is missing a controversy-related section. 68.115.53.79 (talk) 13:27, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

The article currently includes this statement, under "Professional golf career": On April 13, 2013, Woods was up for disqualification from the 2013 Masters Tournament over claims he took illegal drop shot. After further review, Woods was assessed a 2-stroke penalty for the drop and not disqualified. I assume this is the controversy you're talking about? Theoldsparkle (talk) 14:21, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Tangential. The controversy is the fact he should have been DQ'ed but was only given a 2 stroke penalty, ostensibly due to favoritism. 68.115.53.79 (talk) 14:48, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

It says he was up for disqualification, but after review he was not disqualified but instead received a 2-stroke penalty. That certainly sounds like the same event you're referring to. If you're expecting someone to add a lengthy screed to the article about how viciously unfair the decision was, I don't think that's going to happen, and I doubt there would be consensus that such content is appropriate. There's a lot for this article to cover about Woods, and this doesn't sound like a majorly significant incident in his life. Theoldsparkle (talk) 18:14, 17 April 2013 (UTC)

Where is the part about former masters champions telling him to withdraw? Where the part about the impossibility of the officials missing 6 foot differential? Where is the part about tiger woods intnetionally moving this ball to get a better shot? Where is the part about the augusta officials cheating for tiger and using this new rule about not DQing people when those very rules have been said by the USGA that the rules will NOT BE APPLIED to ignorance of the rules of golf. Tiger siad himself he didn't know what he did was illegal. All this is part of the controversy. And I don't need a wit of consensus to add such notable material. The gravy train of this wiki being a little more than fan website is over. 68.115.53.79 (talk) 14:55, 18 April 2013 (UTC)

Woods gets drunk and falls

http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/gossip/tiger-woods-drunk-met-gala-after-party-article-1.1337434 71.99.234.66 (talk) 11:44, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

This is an online encyclopedia, not a tabloid. Dkspartan1 (talk) 01:30, 13 May 2013 (UTC)

Win counts

How did Tiger's PGA and Eurotour win counts go up in the same week?--TonyTheTiger (T/C/WP:FOUR/WP:CHICAGO/WP:WAWARD) 14:06, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Because he won an event, the WGC-Bridgestone Invitational, that is sanctioned by both tours. Same with other WGC events and the majors. Tewapack (talk) 15:14, 8 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 5 August 2013

Tiger is now using the new Nike Covert driver, as of the 2013 Bridgestone Invitational.

So, please change his driver from the VR Tour to the VR_S Covert.

http://www.sbnation.com/golf/2013/8/2/4581928/wgc-bridgestone-invitational-2013-tiger-woods-nike-covert-driver

67.54.168.70 (talk) 06:58, 5 August 2013 (UTC)

Already done Thanks, Celestra (talk) 20:28, 4 September 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 23 September 2013

172.248.125.189 (talk) 02:25, 23 September 2013 (UTC) Tiger did not win the Byron Nelson award for 2013. Steve Stricker has won it based upon the final tournament of the year, the Tour Championship. Stricker met the 50 round minimum average (unlike the Vardon Trophy, which has a 60 round minimum and was won by Tiger this year). When the pgatour.com website updates, you will see the final scoring average standings.

Corrected. Tewapack (talk) 03:30, 23 September 2013 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 2 January 2014

I'm looking at the "Career Achievements" section: was The Players in 2013 Tiger's 300th start? If so, he won his 100th, 200th and 300th... SEE: http://www.pgatour.com/players/player.08793.tiger-woods.html Thanks. Marvin 70.77.220.237 (talk) 04:54, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

• Not done: The article all ready seems to say that to me. If there is something you would like changed, please resubmit your request in a please change "x" to "y" format. Thank you for your interest in improving the English Wikipedia! Technical 13 (talk) 14:19, 2 January 2014 (UTC)

Height

Just a small thing: why is his height being displayed in metres when 100% of the sources that use the metric system display it in centimetres and 0% display it in metres?--Gibson Flying V (talk) 04:12, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Some articles about sports stars, eg Roger Federer, use cm. Others use m, eg Ryan Giggs. There doesn't seem to be a policy on this, unless anyone knows different.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 05:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Once again, the source for Giggs' article uses centimetres.--Gibson Flying V (talk) 07:33, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 January 2014

Please add the 2013 Byron Nelson Award to Tiger's list of awards Jman1228 (talk) 01:39, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Not done - he did not win BNA, Steve Stricker did. Tewapack (talk) 02:08, 25 January 2014 (UTC)

Tiger proofing debate

Should there be any discussion on how many believe that the courses that "Tiger proofed" their courses knew exactly what they were doing, which was to make their courses BETTER for Tiger to entice him to play their tournaments since he played such a limited schedule and generally only play courses that suited his game the best. After all, even back then, experts were saying that making a course longer is beneficial to the longer players because while they were still hitting 6 irons to the green, their opponents were now hitting 3 irons or fairway woods. (And obviously, a 6 iron is much more accurate than a 3 iron or fairway wood.) Whereas under the older, shorter distnaces, Tiger or the other long drivers would be hitting a 9 iron while the rest were hitting 7 irons. While a 9 iron is more accurate than a 7 iron, since both are short irons, the difference between the two is much less than the difference between a 6 iron and a 3 iron. And while Tiger could still reach most par 5s in 2, the longer courses meant the rest of the field could not. Even when it was going on, the experts said if they really wanted to Tiger-proof their courses it would mean making the rough more of a penalty, rather than making courses longer, but having very light rough. After all, Tiger hitting his second shot from 140 in the light rough is still better than another golfer hitting 190 yards from the fairway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 74.67.106.1 (talk) 06:29, 14 March 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 8 April 2014

Pitchya1 (talk) 23:32, 8 April 2014 (UTC) Tiger Woods was the only child of an African-American Army officer father and a Thai mother. ( http://www.biography.com/people/tiger-woods-9536492#synopsis&awesm=~oAT2SnYiSNHgzq )

This information is already in the article, with a good deal more detail. See the first paragraph of the Background and Family section. --ElHef (Meep?) 01:29, 9 April 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 May 2014

partner = Lindsey Vonn add this plz Salman PAF (talk) 07:17, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

This is in the news [16] but it is unclear whether it meets WP:BLP at the moment.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:31, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2014

I believe the Wiki page that shows Tiger Woods achievements needs to have an asterisk on it noting that the calculations showing average score for a year or lifetime is based only through 2009. If one calculates his entire life as a PGA pro these things fall off sharply. It just doesn't do justice to the purpose behind the posting of his life's achievements.

DocHaley (talk) 04:35, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

 Not done Please be more specific. I cannot see an "average" score in this article which merits updating. --NeilN ^{talk to me} 04:41, 4 August 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 September 2014

If edits are being reverted and editors are being told "Flags are discouraged" e.g. Manny Pacquiao, why are so many articles containing American flags allowed, and reverted when those flags removed? American influence on the recording of world history remains a disgrace.

173.48.43.111 (talk) 17:48, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

The guideline is MOS:FLAG. More specifically, it discourages the use of flags in infoboxes. I'm not a great fan of flag icons, but will wait to see if there is a consensus to remove the flag icon from the infobox of this article.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 18:33, 13 September 2014 (UTC)

I removed the flag icon from the infobox, but the article still has issues with WP:SPORTFLAG. This says "Flags should never indicate the player's nationality in a non-sporting sense; flags should only indicate the sportsperson's national squad/team or representative nationality (and it is not an exception to #Avoid flag icons in infoboxes)." These should go, as in most cases, a golfer is not representing his country in a tournament.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 06:01, 14 September 2014 (UTC)

Reverting pending centralized discussion at Template talk:Infobox golfer#Nationality field Tewapack (talk) 19:33, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2014

In the section "Professional Career", the last sentence should be changed from:

"Despite his back pain, he played at the 2014 PGA Championship where he failed to make the cut."

to:

"He declared 'I'm not in any pain' before the 2014 PGA Championship but failed to make the cut."

Source: http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/htmlpage/2014-pga-championship-interview-tiger-woods Colickyboy (talk) 20:58, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Not done for now: Didn't feel it fit in context in the paragraph EoRdE6 (talk) 01:59, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 September 2014

At the end of the section "Professional Career", please add:

On August 25, 2014, Woods and swing coach Sean Foley parted ways. In four years under Foley, Woods won eight times but no majors. He had previously won eight majors with Harmon and six with Haney. Woods said there is no timetable to find a replacement swing coach.

Sources: http://www.tigerwoods.com/news/2014/08/25/91338338/tiger-swing-coach-sean-foley-part-ways/ http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/golf/2014/08/25/tiger-woods-sean-foley-coach-split/14561331/ Colickyboy (talk) 21:14, 15 September 2014 (UTC)

Done edited grammar and applied EoRdE6 (talk) 02:03, 11 October 2014 (UTC)

Legally Blind

I know this has come up before, but I don't think it was correctly handled. There is a WP policy that applies. WP:INTERVIEW#reliability "Interviews are generally reliable for the fact that the interviewees said something, but not necessarily for the fact that what they said is accurate." Legally blind has specific criteria, most importantly being that the best corrected vision is still significantly impaired. Woods may have said it, but it doesn't make it correct, and can give readers a false definition of legal blindness. I removed that part of sentence. If someone objects, we can get an administrator to settle the issue.MartinezMD (talk) 10:51, 22 October 2014 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 April 2015

Tiger didn't back out of the Honda Classic in 2015 as it states just before the "honors" section of his playing career. He injured himself at Torrey Pines, site of his 2008 Open win, during the Farmers Insurance Open. He was scheduled to play HOnda but chose not to, and ultimately did not participate in a tournament before the Masters.

Reading the Format:

Please change "Woods injured himself during the Honda Classic and was unable" to "Woods injured himself during the Farmers Insurance Open at Torrey Pines, site of his injured 2008 U.S. Open victory, and was unable"

Ozznato73 (talk) 04:19, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Mlpearc (open channel) 05:50, 6 April 2015 (UTC)

Tournaments won overseas

Woods also is third on the list of total wins on the European PGA Tour, with 40, behind Seve Ballesteros (50) and Bernhard Langer (42) per Wikipedia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2602:306:8339:4FA0:8060:D0AC:3E1F:2F9B (talk) 00:37, 29 May 2015 (UTC)

This is noted in the article. Chambr (talk) 04:47, 30 May 2015 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 June 2015

new photo, this is the greatest player to ever play the game and you have a picture of him with bags under his eyes...clearly he has better photos. how about using this one? http://wfiles.brothersoft.com/t/tiger_woods_51511-1920x1200.jpg

2605:E000:8683:D400:31EC:865A:FDBA:74B7 (talk) 06:50, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

The image suggested looks like a press photo or similar, so it would be copyrighted and fail WP:NFCC. As ever, the article is limited to the Commons category. I agree though that the current infobox image is not great. This is better but dates from 2011, and some people always want an up to date image.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 07:19, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• I was WP:BOLD and replaced the image with a new cropped version of one of the 2014 photos on Commons. This time he is smiling and looks less glum.--♦IanMacM♦ ^{(talk to me)} 10:34, 12 June 2015 (UTC)

• I agree with your edit. That last photo was awful. Chambr (talk) 03:08, 13 June 2015 (UTC)