Talk:Thomas Adès

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Genre/style

What kind of music does he write? Hyacinth 05:11, 5 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to sum up. Rhythm is highly complex (characterised by irrational meters and layered polyrhythms); harmony is typically consonant (characterised by major and minor triads moving up and down the scale); instrumentation aims for a particular, rather glossy sound (characterised by extreme registers, preference for the high partials of the overtone series, pots-and-pans percussion, occasional klangfarbenmelodie and a love of colouristic sound effects); structural approach is traditional (overt and somewhat theatrical, with structural use of tension and resolution). "Postmodern" is a non-description; "eclectic" belies the relative consistency of these features over about two decades. "Neoromantic" is an inconsistent description (accurate for the extremely Wagnerian Tevot, not so much for—say—Concerto Conciso). We'll just have to wait for some writer on music to actually come up with a proper analysis I guess. :P Teme vorn 02:46, 2 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Degree from Cambridge

His degree was classified as "double starred first", indicating outstanding academic distinction.

There are two problems with this:

First, if I understand correctly, his degree was not classified at all. Rather, he was awarded a starred first in two parts of the Tripos (so I am told by my Cambridge friends, and the analogy with Oxford would be that it is the Honour School that is classified, not the degree of Bachelor of Arts). So there is a sort of problem (1)(b), which is that as it is it appears, to those not initiated into the weird and wonderful ways of Cambridge degrees, that his degree was awarded with not one, but two, stars.
Secondly, well yes, of course a double starred first indicates 'outstanding academic distinction'. It is an astonishingly brilliant achievement. But it is a peculiar gloss to insert, and it rather goes against the Wikipedia principle of avoiding original insight. Who is the contributor here to give the opinion that a double starred first indicates anything at all? It's obvious that it does indicate what it is said to indicate, but it's not appropriate. It's also completely redundant.--Oxonian2006 (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Oxonian, as it happens I was "the contributor here"... I was at Cambridge at the same time as Ades, I didn't know him personally but was aware, through muso friends, of the buzz he generated. You are right, he was given a starred first in both Part I and Part II music. There's probably a better way of expressing this - the phrase "double first" certainly is in common usage, but extending it in this way is dubious and as you say potentially misleading.

I also agree the second part of the sentence would be better if it was more factual, e.g. "unprecedented in this subject in the university's history" - which I suspect it was - the problem is finding a verifiable citation to back this up. But I disagree with your "of course": not all Wikipedia readers will be familiar with the UK education system, some won't know what a "first" is at all. Yours, Mattmm (talk) 21:35, 23 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Update - Having said that, this terminology is in use elsewhere in Wikipedia, see British undergraduate degree classification#First-Class Honours. Mattmm (talk) 20:12, 24 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Name

My understanding is that the name Adès was invented by Adès himself and that his parents are called Ades. His mother is, unless I'm terribly misguided, Professor Dawn Ades, OBE, FBA, who is not called Dawn Adès, except by people who principally know her as the mother of Thomas Adès and assume that they have the same surname. Is there any more information available on this?--Oxonian2006 (talk) 21:27, 20 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Married or civil partnership?

Tal Rosner says that he and Ades are married. Thomas Ades says they are civil partners. Which is it? 71.139.197.138 (talk) 05:35, 3 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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LGBT

He's categorised as LGBT, and I can see from the above that he is indeed gay. But there is precisely zero mention of his sexuality in the article proper. We cannot have people categorised as X unless there's something in the article to support that categorisation. Having the information buried in one or more of our sources is not sufficient; it must be made explicit. -- Jack of Oz ^[Talk] 10:34, 19 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Education

The chronology of his education is very confusing: stating his secondary education last makes it unclear as to whether he went first to Oxford or Guildhall — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.13.200.81 (talk) 10:54, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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