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Release?

Was this a straight to dvd release?

No it was shown at cinemas nation wide.

Film is currently in cinemas in Melbourne, Australia. - 203.87.69.229 07:21, 2 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Translations

Translated to Russian: 2-voice soundtrack and subtitles (independent). 87.240.15.26 (talk) 16:29, 27 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

British DVD cover?

This surely isn't the British DVD cover. This awful piece of art completely misconveys what the films about. I'd use the English cover but I don't really know how Wikipedia works with this type of stuff, haha. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.130.138.53 (talk) 21:24, 9 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Im in england, and bought this on DVD last week and this is the same cover that my copy has, maybe there is more than one cover for this, as i have seen differing artwork on other films in the past. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.149.1.223 (talk) 21:09, 10 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Plot interpretation?

From the main article:
"The film highlights the irony that the skinhead subculture adopted by white power groups such as the National Front was partly based on elements of black culture, especially Jamaican ska and reggae music. "

Unless there's evidence to support it, this assertion seems wide of the facts. The only mention of "black culture" in a positive light occurs during the very ending of the movie, and even then, the idea that any subculture was "adopted" is presented as simply a way to lull the victim into thinking that he shares something with the skinhead who's about to kill him. The assertion might be accurate; I'm no expert on any connections of that sort. But it's a bit of a stretch to talk as if the film "highlights" the connection. C d h (talk) 02:19, 27 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The sentence pasted above accurately represents one of the themes that appears in the film. The skinheads in the film listen to black music (ska, reggae, soul); there are photos of black musicians posted on the wall at the home of one of the skinheads; one the characters is a black (or at least partly-black) skinhead; and the plot shows a split between non-racist skinheads and white power skinheads. Spylab (talk) 19:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The film didn't "highlight" the black cultural borrowings of the white power groups. This is original research, and pretty crappy research too. The motivations that drove young, lost and fatherless boys to the skinhead movement was a far more salient theme. Kransky (talk) 10:57, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You seem to be confusing the overall skinhead subculture with the white power skinhead faction. Black culture most definitely had an influence on the development of the skinhead subculture. That is not original research; that is well-documented fact. Spylab (talk) 15:29, 11 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The characters are seen listening to reggae music in the film, and I think at the point when the main skinhead man tells the black man that black culture helped develop the skinhead one, he's being genuine. He only turns on the black character after he talks at length about his father's many children, and his big family who are all in england. Something about that seems to make the white skinhead character react badly (that and the increased effect of the drugs, I suppose). 79.68.124.177 (talk) 11:03, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is a really weak article for such a brilliant film. First of all, the plot summary has fallen into the old trap of an overwritten scene-by-scene commentary. Secondly, that thematic analysis is dire. Does whoever wrote it understand what a 'theme' is? It does not simply mean the general context of the film. Ironically, the 'theme' section does a far better job of summarising the plot than the 'plot' section. Gunstar hero (talk) 23:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"The Falklands War ends." Well yes but the film is set in the summer of 1983 and the Falklands War had finished the year before.

They take a few liberties with chronology. There weren't many skins about by 1984, the 2-Tone era had well and truly passed, and what skins there were left tended to be fans of punk/oi! (e.g. not skins at all IMHO). Good non-racist skins like Woody's gang had moved on by then. Pollythewasp (talk) 10:05, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Location

This may have been filmed in Nottingham but surely it isn't set there? At the end he goes to the sea! Quite a walk for a 12-year-old from Nottingham.--81.101.3.226 (talk) 00:14, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't show context. Can't assume he's walked all the way! Nottingham isn't so far from Grimsby/Hull by car. Most of Shane Meadows' films are set in the midlands, and it references the previous 'beach photograph' scene. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.189.82.173 (talk) 19:30, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

There's no suggestion of him travelling by car, or any other method, to the sea. He goes alone on foot to throw the flag in the sea, so the film is set in a coastal town. Jim Michael (talk) 03:34, 4 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Milky?

Is this passage correct, as im not sure....

One night, after Combo smokes cannabis that he bought from Milky (the only black skinhead from Woody's group), Combo beats Milky unconscious after manufacturing an argument. Almost killing Milky, Combo shows panic and remorse, and begs Shaun to help him get Milky to the hospital.

I thought that milky died as a result of the beating he took from combo??

Can anyone confirm the facts regarding this??

If I remember correctly, at the end of the film Shaun's mother tells him that Milky is in hospital but will be ok. Kosack (talk) 21:18, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, that's right. Pollythewasp (talk) 10:07, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also Milky is alive and well in the sequels.Tlhslobus (talk) 03:54, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This is England '86

As this is a series in its own right, Does anyone think it requires its own page? First episode aired last night. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.30.137 (talk) 09:51, 8 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The section should be shortened now that the sequel has its own article. I inserted a "main article" link.--88.74.203.167 (talk) 12:44, 10 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Nice one. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.18.30.137 (talk) 20:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

George Newton

While the link to George Newton does limk to a disambiguation page, neither of the 2 people listed are the actor who played Combo in the film. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.211.190.221 (talk) 15:55, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

People missing the point

I wonder if it's worth saying anything in the article about the surprisingly large number of people who appear to completely miss the point of this film and view it as a validation of their racism. For some examples, just have a look through the comments on the film's Facebook page: "Love this film.. i am not a racist but i do think anyone who isn't british should go home coz it aint fair. our countries bein raped up the arse and our own english people are havin jobs and houses taken away from them. i have been lookin f...or a job everyday for nearly 2 years and have i found one? FUCK NO. And i agree they probs are just as racist as any other person who is racist on this page. and it aint just indians either its polish that are becoming a bit of a problem now. we dont come to your countries and take your jobs and houses. i know people with babies who have nowhere to go and have to live in hostels til somewhere becomes available! now that what i call a pisstake." or "its not all about racism we should take pride in our country and not be pussy footing around other religians if they can do there bit for this country and not take the piss they are welcome but when they build mosk's and other shit that is not part of british land or culture some1 has to put there foot down and say NO ! because of 1 Massive reason , THIS IS ENGLAND !" There are many more examples, particularly the stuff about people's favourite lines from the film. Is there anything in reliable sources about this? It's evident from listening to a variety of people who enjoyed the film that not all of them understood it in quite the same way! Beorhtwulf (talk) 16:51, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Google Scholar Search has some coverage, especially this. Erik (talk | contribs) 16:57, 28 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Movie title

The film's title is a direct reference to a scene where the character Combo explains his nationalist views using the phrase 'this is England' during his speech.

Surely the film's title is also a reference to the Clash song of the same name that covers the almost exact same subject matter as the film and came out around the same time period? Nisf (talk) 05:05, 8 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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Jo Hartley

I've removed the infobox inclusion for Jo Hartley, who has had an article recently created, as she has very little input throughout the duration of the film. I've whizzed through the film to find five appearances - four approximately two to three minutes each and one of 30 seconds, so roughly 10 minutes total. Although her appearance and dialogue is important and integral to the plot, I do not equate this with a starring role. She does have an individual credit at the film-start, whereas those others supporting are shown in blocks of three. Semperito (talk) 20:00, 15 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Needs a clean up

Article could use a rewrite in a more informative tone, it reads like a GCSE English essay right now. Roygbiv0 (talk) 09:53, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]