Talk:Thirty-six Views of Mount Fuji (Hiroshige)

Awesomeness

I think these pics rock.

yeah man totally, but there should be a portion dedicated to hokusai's series too... not being much of a wikipedian myself, what do others think? --206.45.164.72 05:40, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Absolutely. It's just bad luck the Hiroshige fans got there first. --maru (talk) contribs 06:10, 25 May 2006 (UTC)

Complete list

Hi. I've reverted the removal of the list of the entire series (with edit summary "don't need to show the whole series now that the Commons page exists"), because as I understand it, the encyclopedia article should be able to standalone, and provide as complete an overview as we can give, without requiring that readers navigate to a sisterproject to find the complete list. As a comparison, we wouldn't delete a list of species names, just because the same content is available at wikispecies. Thoughts?

This also allows us to add wikilinks to the locations here, and further encyclopedic details to the "notes" section for each, as they are found. -- Quiddity (talk) 18:50, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Normally I would cite WP:NOTREPOSITORY as a reason for not keeping all the images in the article, which is why we don't allow people to just insert their own pet photos in Cat at will, otherwise we end up being like Flickr. This keeps the article clean and allows us to focus more on the circumstances surrounding the entire collection. But I can sympathize with your point of view, seeing as how there are only 36 (or 72 at most) images and the article is about the series, so each picture does serve an encyclopedic purpose, I suppose... the thing that bothers me is that this ends up setting a precedent. I realize that The Fifty-three Stations of the Tōkaidō contains all the prints, but it's only the first series, and not the follow-up ones. My vision of that article would be that we have sample images from every single series, giving us good breadth of coverage, while leaving the depth to Commons. If we start including all the images from all the versions, think of how long that article would get. Likewise, One Hundred Famous Views of Edo probably isn't a good candidate for including all of them either simply because there are so many (although happily, there's only one series there). The other thing to consider is that having all of these images will considerably increase the download time for people who are not on broadband. Thus, I would prefer having fewer images here, although I wouldn't object to increasing the quantity a bit (4 might be a little too low?). howcheng {chat} 22:48, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm. I'm not too worried about the precedent, as a finite series is distinctly different from a gallery of random examples.

The not-everyone-on-broadband point gives me pause; However, if one downloads this complete page ("save as") the 48 image thumbnails only come to 383kb, which isn't that large.

If in doubt, I generally turn to Featured examples. I'd say this page, and others like it (eg Thirty-six Views of Mount Fuji (Hokusai) and the examples you mentioned) would fall under the umbrella of the Featured Lists domain. The closest examples would be items like List of National Treasures of Japan (sculptures), List of church restorations, amendments and furniture by John Douglas, and List of tablets on the Memorial to Heroic Self Sacrifice, etc, all of which contain a thumbnail for each entry (when available). Considering "featured status" as the end goal, and with those examples in mind, would your preference be at all swayed?

If not, I'm amenable to compromise, and won't revert if you tackle the reduction afresh. :) HTH. -- Quiddity (talk) 02:02, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

I'm not really going to belabor the point too much. My focus is more on the images themselves, having just noticed what a treasure trove of Japanese prints there are the Library of Congress: over 400 Hiroshige ones alone! That's enough restoration work to keep me busy for a long long time. So having the complete list isn't going to bother me much at all. Even if we get all the prints for all the Tokaido series, we can just create a whole bunch of separate articles so that it won't get too overloaded. howcheng {chat} 03:40, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Correction reverted

Posting here to discuss per WP:BRD https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Johnbod reverted my grammar correction in the lede. "Series are" is not acceptable, as a series in this instance is singular, not plural. 71.86.140.226 (talk) 18:50, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

It's not a "correction" at all. This is at least partly a WP:ENGVAR thing. See English_plurals#Singulars_with_collective_meaning_treated_as_plural. Johnbod (talk) 19:06, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

My apologies, I'm only familiar with AmEng, in which "Series are" is an error, as it violates formal agreement. It would seem that you are correct that this is acceptable, assuming article uses BrE. 71.86.140.226 (talk) 19:28, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

Ok, common thing. It evidently does use BrE, as this shows. Johnbod (talk) 19:54, 20 June 2019 (UTC)

"Formal" agreement? Is that a deed perhaps, or maybe an oath or salute is necessary?

As long as the meaning is clear, English grammar does not have to be treated as a form of obscure logic puzzle, but if you insist, "the series" here is being used as a succinct reference to "the individual prints of the series". Strictly speaking, each of the two series (as separate "formal" entities from their component 36 prints) does not have a landscape or portrait format at all: each print does.

Once we have resolved the grammatical niceties, can someone complete the first list please? 213.205.198.175 (talk) 21:31, 20 June 2019 (UTC)