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I have removed reference to neo-conservatism as although there was a strong neo-con element within the group (ie. Perle & Wolfowitz) the group as a whole could by no means be described as neo-con. Mutt 04:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

Anyone have any idea why they're named that? I don't understand the reference. Dan 07:52, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think the idea is that Bush is a bit like Captain Kirk, and "The Vulcans" are smarter and more logical. I hope that's NPOV. :) Megapixie 08:31, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hartung gives the same explanation for the groups name as Mann (ie Vulcan God in Birminham Alabama), is their any published reference to the name comming from the Start Trek race or is this pure speculation? If so I will remove it.Mutt 04:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Your are quite right. In interview here - he makes the claim for the God [1]. It does seem somewhat obscure [2]. I'd be happy to have it read:

The name, coined by Rice, refers to the Roman god of fire, the forge, and metal work, rather than the fictional race of aliens in Star Trek. In Rice's hometown, Birmingham, Alabama, a fifty-six-foot statue of Vulcan celebrates the city's steel industry.

Megapixie 04:52, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Have removed the reference to Start Trek. Mutt 10:00, 19 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sources

This needs sources for me to be happy that it exists, otherwise maybe it's just someone's view? Was this term used in printed media? Is this WP:V verifiable? Why shouldn't this article be deleted? ++Lar 04:02, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Update, this term is from "Rise of the Vulcans"... see the Paul Wolfowitz article where that book is referenced a lot (maybe too much???). ~~However based on searching so far I haven't found usage of the term outside that book... maybe this is a neologism and should be proposed for deletion???~~ comments? ++Lar 01:27, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I wasn't searching hard enough, a search finds lots of uses. never mind! ++Lar 17:18, 12 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Curiously Mann actually misuses the term to refer to the group that formed the core of the Bush War Cabinet but this was not the group that was referred to as the Vulcans in the run up to the 2000 election although it did have 3 members in common (Rice, Wolfowitz & Armitage). Mutt 04:08, 17 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Reminder

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Removed NPOV section tag

I've removed the NPOV tag on Campaign, since there was no discussion on the talk page. Superm401 - Talk 00:37, 2 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]