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"LCI says "The Swan Princess" promotions take wing as FAO Schwarz, Sizzler, JCPenney, Hardee's & Dole launch national tie-ins; Sony releases soundtrack, Columbia distributes internationally; New line gears up as movie gets rave reviews; $40 million animated blockbuster now showing in 1400 theaters; Swan Princess float graces Macy's Thanksgiving Day Parade". December 6, 1994. Archived from the original on April 1, 2019. Retrieved April 1, 2019.

"This was the last film to rely on traditional hand drawn animation"

What the heck does that mean? There were many traditionally-animated films released after 1994 (they still are being released). Can anyone clarify? Esn 18:29, 29 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Traditional as in completely hand-drawn and coloured, without the use of computer colouring or CGI. -- Annie D 00:35, 24 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No this is incorrect this wasn't the last film to rely on traditional hand drawn animation, but it's not done as much because the 2D animation is mostly done on computers and also 3D CGI animated films have dominated the market. I'm not sure if this was the last film to rely on traditional hand drawn animation as the movie The Thief and the Cobbler movie also came out around 1993 to 1995. CrosswalkX (talk) 19:43, 20 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Lead Section

The article's lead section (or intro paragraph) says the film is directed by "ex-Disney animation director Richard Rich". This makes it sound ambiguously negative. Does that statement imply that there were ill feelings between Rich and The Walt Disney Company? I propose an alternate wording: "The film is directed by a former Disney animation director, Richard Rich." I prefer this so that it doesn't sound like there was some sort of ire in the relationship between Rich and The Walt Disney Company. My understanding (which I assume is correct), is that Richard Rich got "laid off" or "let go" by Disney in light of difficult financial circumstances for Disney following the unsuccessful release of "The Black Cauldron" in 1985. Could someone either "set me straight" or confirm my assumption as true, so that I can know if I should make a change? That would be great. Or, if the proposed wording I chose is on the right path, but could be stated better, I welcome comments. Thanks. Oh, also, if there isn't a response within a reasonable amount of time, I'll just assume it's OK for me to "Be Bold" and go for it. Regards, 24.10.181.254 (talk) 00:23, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's been well over a week, no reply. Okay, I'll "Be Bold".... 24.10.181.254 (talk) 03:53, 3 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Rankin/Bass?

Do we have any proof on this? 70.242.139.51 (talk) 00:27, 10 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Did this film cost 21 million dollars to make?

To the wikipedia users. I have watched a video interview by Seldon Young at this youtube video at this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tPccYbKU2HQ where he is interviewed at the London Comic Con about how much it cost to make The Swan Princess 1994 film and he said it costed him 45 million dollars to produce The Swan Princess 1994 film. Also Seldon Young was involved with the making of The Swan Princess film but I can't see his name anywhere in the end credits.

I'm confused, did it cost 21 million for this film to get made or was it 45 million that Seldon Young claimed it to be, or was 45 million just including the advertisement and distribution costs. I'm confused please help thanks. CrosswalkX (talk) 02:24, 15 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The Princess and the Frog similar

Some people believe that Naveen frog is not similar to Jean-Bob. However, this is not true. They are indeed similar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:142:C100:6060:61BD:3EC6:5FAC:797F (talk) 14:30, 14 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Fan speculations are not reliable sources. — FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 12:43, 15 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Without reliable sources, this should not be included. FilmandTVFan28 is correct, fan speculations are not reliable sources (and pulled from a clickbait article? Really?). Please stop this nonsense and discuss on the talk page, WITH good sources. Ravensfire (talk) 00:44, 16 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

FilmandTVFan28 believed that Naveen and Jean-bob are not similar, However this is not true. According to Screenrant that the way Naveen (in frog form) looks and behaves similarly to Jean-Bob. https://screenrant.com/animated-movies-ripped-off-better-copied/ Jean-Bob and Naveen. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.112.148.227 (talk) 20:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- We already explained that Screenrant is not a reliable source and it never was. They rely too much on fan speculations. I suggest you do what Ravensfire has said. — FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 22:20, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  IP - again, it's a clickbait source (huge problem number one) and relies on the speculation of a few fans (huge problem number two). Together, this isn't supported by a reliable source. Even if it was on a user review on YouTube, that wouldn't be a reliable source. You're welcome to follow the steps in WP:DR, but absent good sources, this isn't going to go anywhere. Ravensfire (talk) 13:09, 22 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Spin Offs

None of the spinoff films of this movie are mentioned in the article -- they've done a series of spinoffs, the first two being in 1997 "The Swan Princes: Escape from Castle Mountain", and 1998 "Swan Princess: the Mystery of the Enchanted Treasure". They should really be at least linked if not discussed in the article. JJMaloof (talk) 03:50, 28 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Naveen and Jean-Bob aren't similar false

That was not true, they are indeed similar.

(Groaning with a headache) I don’t believe this. Naveen as frog looks resembles and behaves similar to Jean-Bob & That’s that. Plus, the official Screen Rant source said this. “Angry fans of the smaller budget movie complained that the way Naveen (in frog form) looks and behaves similarly to Jean-Bob, Odette’s French frog friend.” — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:142:C100:6060:30B0:A30C:3BF8:D467 (talk) 16:57, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Please see the discussion above on why this should not be included. It's a fan comment on a clickbait, poor quality, non-RS source. Looking through the history of this article, this is something that has been pushed for a long time, has been reverted by multiple people and has resulted in this page being protected in the past. WP:BRD is the usual cycle, where an edit has been Boldly made, but when it was Reverted, there needs to be Discussion to seek consensus. There has never been consensus to include this material and the objections haven't been addressed. Ravensfire (talk) 17:06, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

See Talk:The_Princess_and_the_Frog/Archive_1#The_Swan_Princess_similarities. Also note that there are several IP editors blocked in 2022 (and still blocked) trying to push this same material - Special:Contributions/24.154.26.221, Special:Contributions/24.112.148.227, Special:Contributions/66.250.190.34 are examples. WP:EVADE is a strong possibility here. Pinging @FilmandTVFan28 as they've were involved in prior discussions. (Sorry for dragging you back in... mostly!) Ravensfire (talk) 17:18, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. It's high time we stop bringing this fan speculation. FilmandTVFan28 (talk) 20:01, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agree. +ScreenRant is unrealiable AFAIK, IP, and as many others have said, it's a fan comment and a clickbait source. Vamsi20 (talk) 20:30, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Took this to ANI for long-term semi-protection of the article(s) and a block on the /64 they are editing from. Ravensfire (talk) 20:36, 1 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]