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Fictional Team Biography

Shouldn't this section begin with the Initiative, and not at the aftermath of Secret Invasion? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.154.13.203 (talk) 18:28, 31 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New Image

Since the Avengers have a new lineup, writer, and overall theme with Hank Pym leading the team, can we get a new image for them? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.209.225.251 (talk) 07:23, 3 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sentry?

Where dose it say that the Sentry is going to be on the new team? I checked the links and I don't see it.Phoenix741 12:25, 5 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sentry is going to be on The Mighty Avengers team. Check this out http://www.newsarama.com/marvelnew/newavengers/meet_the_new.html Look at the preview art. Thelaststand3 16:38, 5th Feburay 2007

He is on the roster as of the first issue. Mrs. Marvel did not want him on the team but Tony Stark did. MrDenton 16:24, 5 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Gozilla?

Whats up with the Godzilla comments? 74.122.209.60 02:07, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Godzilla has a kind of cameo appearance on page 2 in issue #1. On that page Cho has drawn one of Mole Man's creatures rather Godzillaish, so it's not supposed to be the real Godzilla, just an easter egg for the fans. Fornadan (t) 23:48, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

writer credit

why isn't cho acknowledged for the fact that on the first arc he co-ploted it with bendis? shoudln't there be some mention somewhere? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 70.134.50.78 (talk) 18:55, August 23, 2007 (UTC)

updates?

Mighty Avengers #11? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.158.169.223 (talk) 02:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The Mighty Avengers

The proper title of the comic is The Mighty Avengers. I figured I would bring it up here to see what others think. Rau's Speak Page 22:01, 20 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I say go ahead and get the article "moved". To be honest I never looked that close but, if that is the correct title than that is what this article should be called. We can always have a redirect in case someone leaves off the "the". Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:27, 23 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not clear on why The Mighty Avengers isn't simply a section of The Avengers' "Publication history". Anyone have any thoughts on that? It's not like there have been a lot of issues, and any notable events would go under The Avengers' "Fictional team biography". --Tenebrae (talk) 02:20, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's here to reflect on the series itself. And there has yet to be anything notable in the series. If you want to merge, I won't stop you. Rau's Speak Page 04:02, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say I don't like the idea of merging as we will just have to split it again at a later point. The Mighty Avengers and The New Avengers are two different series but, I think we need to follow the same rules for both really. Merging them will simply increase the size of the main Avengers article and I think we should avoid that. Now if we were able to cut down on a significant portion of the in universe stuff in all the articles that may be different but, I'm not sure anyone wants to take on that task. Jasynnash2 (talk) 09:56, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have to agree on this one. If Mighty Avengers gets merged, it's only fair we do the same with New Avengers. And I really, really don't think New Avengers should be merged (it's been around long enough and enough has occurred with it to justify keeping it separate). Planewalker Dave (talk) 10:10, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't be that hard to cut down on the in-universe material. I think I got rid of most of it. And I don't see why they both have to have the same rules. The New Avengers has played a rather large part in the Marvel Universe ever since it's inception. Not to mention the team has been involved in every event that has taken place on Earth aside form the mutant related ones. Rau's Speak Page 10:18, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

They need the same rules because they are both comic books (to point out the obvious). We should do our best to remain consistent with all comic book entries (and all others for that matter). Jasynnash2 (talk) 10:55, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But they cover different topic, are separate comic books, and have different notabilities. Some rules should apply to all, but not every rule. Rau's Speak Page 11:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Now it appears to be boiling down to semantics or something and I really don't want to get into that. We need to be consistent which means working on the rules making them compatiable across multiple titles. The Avengers is quite long as it is and I don't think adding in even more is going to help the article. If anything New Avengers is the logical one to be merged to The Avengers because it is the newest version of the Avengers really and The Mighty Avengers would need merging to The Initiative as it is really just one of the 50 teams. Jasynnash2 (talk) 11:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yea, it is a little far too into the evening(morning for me now...) to be playing semantics. And I can see how that would work, merging them into separate articles. But Avengers is too long, and Avengers: The Initiative is the wrong place for Mighty, it would go with Fifty State Initiative. But I'm willing to work towards building this article instead of merging. I've already begun to do some work. Which, in my opinion, is better than it was. Rau's Speak Page 11:39, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You are right about Avengers: The Initiative being the wrong place. I totally forgot that Fifty State Initiative even existed to be honest. Jasynnash2 (talk) 12:27, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That's because it's really such a useless article. All it does is list teams, most of which have only been mentioned in passing or interviews. Hardly notable. And it seems that this discussion has gotten off track from how it started. Rau's Speak Page 12:47, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Here's my thinking: The Mighty Avengers belongs as a section in Avengers (comics) since that title is essentially a new volume of the long-running series, and a direct continuation of the story and chronology of the team that began in 1963. If we'd have to split it into its own article again in the future, that would likely be years away since the FCB only describe the most significant events and major changes.

New Avengers, on the other hand, is completely unrelated to the team the Avengers -- the New Avengers are not an iteration of the sanction, long-running group from 1963 on. They call themselves "Avengers" but that's just their own ironic name. You wouldn't put the Hell's Angels or the citizen crime patrol the Guardian Angels under angels -- it's just their name. --Tenebrae (talk) 13:26, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

But the New Avengers were the new iteration of the long-running group before the Civil War. After the Civil War they were the continuation of Cap's Secret Avengers and you could consider them not to be the sanctioned team anymore. So the logic doesn't really work. In fact, in terms of issue numbers, they spent longer as the official team than as the unofficial team. My personal vote would be for no merging to occur. Planewalker Dave (talk) 13:35, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As is mine. Are you sure you aren't confused with the tv show? Rau's Speak Page 13:38, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

My goodness, I'm surprised anyone remembers that show! :-) Well, it's not worth pushing, but for the sake of accuracy, the "New Avengers" are not the Avengers. They are a separate, unauthorized, non-sanctioned group that, if this were the real world, would face a trademark infringement lawsuit. [Again, :-) ] With all respect, I think Planewalker Dave may be thinking of the team that appears in The Mighty Avengers, which is the only official Avengers.

As for how long the team's been together, that's not really relevant. Back in issue #16 or whichever, the entire team except for Captain America changed and was brand new. But they were still the only official Avengers. --Tenebrae (talk) 20:36, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I'm not. What I'm saying is that back in New Avengers #1, so very long ago, the New Avengers were formed as the next generation of the Avengers. Both Cap and Iron Man were involved in their creation, making them pretty much official. Admitedly, Maria Hill didn't approve but due to Cap's "champion status" he was officially allowed to form the team. Until the Civil War (i.e., up until and including New Avengers #20) this team was the official Avengers team. However, after the Civil War (so from New Avengers #27) we still have a team calling themselves the New Avengers consisting of some of the old New Avengers (Luke Cage, Spider-Man, Wolverine and Spider-Woman, as well as Echo maybe) as well as some others who opposed registration. From this stage onwards I agree that they aren't the officially sanctioned Avengers anymore (that right belongs to the Mighty Avengers), however for 20 issues they were most definitely the officially sanctioned Avengers team. Wow, that was a lot of typing. Planewalker Dave (talk) 21:04, 24 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Ow! My brain hurts! :-)

I see your point. In that case, I'm thinking we merge Mighty Avengers into Avengers (comics), and have a section in Avengers (comics) covering the initial "New Avengers" team, with a "main article" link to a New Avengers article, since it's a separate team. This is just a suggestion; I'm not puttin' up any merge templates or anything. --Tenebrae (talk) 05:12, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The plot information that is in the article now could easily replace the information in Avengers (comics)'s Mighty Avengers section, and there is already a section for both teams with a "main article" link. This merge could be handled simply and swiftly. And The New Avengers' article is devoid of a plot section. Honestly, looking at it, I can't believe it isn't a redirect. It only seems to have the collections info and sections on where else the team has appeared. Rau's Speak Page 06:00, 25 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good to me. What does everyone else think? --Tenebrae (talk) 04:30, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Man, I'm not even supposed to be for a merge... Look what I did. Stupid, stupid, stupid! Kay, well. I guess I'm for it now, against my personal feelings. Rau's Speak Page 05:28, 26 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge proposal

Pro — There is virtually nothing on Mighty Avengers that can't be incorporated as part of Publication history in Avengers (comics). Mighty Avengers is simply the latest in a continuous line of Avengers titles that began with The Avengers in 1963. The Plot section here gives issue-by-issue loglines and is written in fancruft style with context-free references to Ultron and Dr. Doom that mean nothing to the general-audience reader to which Wikipedia is aimed. The addition of fan-press review numbers complete the fansite nature of this page. This page should not exist. --Tenebrae (talk) 00:52, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Weakly Support although Mighty Avengers isn't a continuation of the publication history (in the strictest sense - not being vol whatever or similar). The contents of this particular article which are encyclopedic make more sense within the already existing section at Avengers (comics). No reason why this article couldn't be recreated at at future date when Mighty Avengers does something noteworthy enough for a stand alone article. Jasynnash2 (talk) 08:27, 1 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Support Mostly as per above. Rau's Speak Page 13:34, 6 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]
Merge The page is a stub that reads like a fansite blog. It's pointless and useless. Merge it. If it ever becomes noteworthy then it's no problem to split them apart. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 144.92.58.224 (talk) 19:11, 10 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's been well over a week, and the only editors to comment have all been in favor of a merger. If no one has any strenuous objections in the next couple of days, I can go ahead and do the merge. --Tenebrae (talk) 01:36, 11 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Merge There has been nothing notable significant about the team to separate it from the Avengers, as a fictional entitiy; additionally, there is nothing notable or distinct enough to separate this article from the Avengers as a publication. As an aside, there's no rush for a merge, it don't think it would hurt to be thorough and wait another couple weeks. - 66.109.248.114 (talk) 01:36, 14 July 2008 (UTC).[reply]

(minor edit for typo--66.109.248.114 (talk) 19:37, 14 July 2008 (UTC).)[reply]

Oppose - If the article is crap, rewrite it! And this will only need to be unmerged again soonish as the Mighty Avengers get increasingly notable in their own right - rst20xx (talk) 16:30, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, and also, I call foul on this whole conversation, seeing as how it just happened in the previous conversation, was 2 votes all, and is now pretty immediately being brought again - rst20xx (talk) 16:35, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

There's no "calling foul". This isn't a schoolyard. If you think anything improper has been done, get an admin, please. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:41, 15 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Delay? - I've been hesitant to post on this one because I'm rather torn on it. The Mighty Avengers certainly are the next official generation of the Avengers team, so could easily be merged with the main article. However, for better or worse, if it's merged then we'll have a much less detailed article about the Mighty Avengers. However, I agree that the team hasn't done enough to stand on it's own (unlike the New Avengers who have done shedloads). Finally, I recall Bendis saying that we're going to have some new Marvel Universe status quo after Secret Invasion is over, which may well (as he's writing both of them) involve a bit of mix-up of our two Avengers teams. So my vote would be to delay any merging until the Secret Invasion is over and then we'll see where the team stands in terms of still existing and, if they do, whether they've made a big enough contribution to justify their own page. Planewalker Dave (talk) 16:48, 14 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Support - Until this article can show it significantly different from Avengers (comics) in the same way that New Avengers and West Coast Avengers have, there is no reason to keep it seperate. When merged List of Avengers members should also be reflect the change by making Mighty Avengers a section of the main Avengers section. -- 69.182.106.217 (talk) 00:59, 16 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Waited over two weeks at Planewalker Dave's suggestion. Merging now as per consensus. --Tenebrae (talk) 03:55, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Done. I've asked an admin at Wikipedia:Editor assistance/Requests#Merged content per consensus. What steps now? what happens next re: the blank page, the talk page, and the history page. --Tenebrae (talk) 04:21, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well, my suggestion was actually to wait until the Secret Invasion was over, but thank you for leaving it long enough for all interested parties to voice their opinions. And the "blank page" just becomes a redirect, right? Planewalker Dave (talk) 08:33, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Right. I have redirected it. PrimeHunter (talk) 13:30, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

And my oops — it was 66.109.248.114 who'd suggested waiting another week or two. It's the August heat! :-) --Tenebrae (talk) 21:06, 1 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page Back?

What happened here?--Lotsofinterviews (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Page for Khoi Pham?

I am interviewing him soon and can get any info needed?--Lotsofinterviews (talk) 22:38, 13 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Updated roster

Based on the Covers of Mighty Avengers 21, 22, 23 the new team will include Hank Pym, Hercules, Hulk, Iron Man, Jocasta, Scarlet Witch, Stature, U. S. Agent and Vision --76.71.49.164 (talk) 20:12, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

No it won't. That's not the team - just the characters who appear in this arc. The team roster is not revealed until #26 - although Slott has confirmed that Wasp, Jocasta and Scarlet Witch will be on it. MultipleTom (talk) 23:30, 19 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reception

Please do not remove the reception. It's a sourced reception. Feel free to add more reviews but there's nothing wrong with this one. Stextc (talk) 00:36, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

2nd Best Seller

In Ultimates Sales and Reception, it has a similar format. All it is saying that issue #1 was the second best seller. (e.g. U2's song X reached 2nd on the pop charts.) Sourced and there's nothing wrong with it reaching second. Stextc (talk) 00:38, 26 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The definite article

Out of interest why is the title of this article The Mighty Avengers, whereas Avengers, New Avengers and Dark Avengers ignore the definite article? I suggest we move this back to Mighty Avengers. Planewalker Dave (talk) 13:48, 14 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]