Talk:The Man with the Golden Gun (film)

Separate Soundtrack Article

I do not believe this should be done. I've just spent some time reading all the Bond movie articles from Dr No to this point, and none of the others have separate articles, why should this one? Besides, there's not enough information to sustain a separate article anyway. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dopefish (talk • contribs) 22:42, 14 December 2006 (UTC)

"Only Bond movie that..."

The movie is notable as the only Bond movie that does not begin with Bond on a mission.

What missions is he on at the start of Dr No, From Russia With Love, Live and Let Die and For Your Eyes Only? Or for that matter Diamonds Are Forever? (He's "on leave", pursuing a private goal.) Timrollpickering 19:16, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

I'll remove it. I'm not sure if they mean pre-credits or post-credits, but Live and Let Die doesn't feature either of them. --Plasma Twa 2 04:36, 19 February 2007 (UTC)

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The car flip

I saw no mention of the stunt where the car jumps the river and flips about its longitudinal axis. I belive This stunt was first seen the film and should get a mention. (Morcus (talk) 02:23, 11 March 2008 (UTC))

It was added but important details were removed,[1] better sources are needed. -- 109.79.162.227 (talk) 03:34, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

Opening sequence

I think it might be a good idea to add that in the opening sequence, Scaramanga knows about the assassination attempt. It is something he himself occassionally arranges in order to practice his shooting (according to the DVD audio commentary.) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gaukator (talk • contribs) 14:09, 31 August 2008 (UTC)

Golden Gun missing

I added that the golden gun went missing on Friday October 10th to the Legacy section (with references), I'm not sure if it fits in with the rest of the article. So any input from the major editors of this article would be great.--intraining ^{Jack In} 06:03, 13 October 2008 (UTC)

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Reliability

Hi. I've used this as a reference at least 8 times. It has a lot of information, but I was just wondering if it's reliable. It's IMDB, so I'm pretty sure it's OK, but if anyone disagrees say here and I'll remove them all, and replace them with s (which I will fill in in due time). Spongefrog, (talk to me, or else) 16:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)

Titular v. eponymous

An editor has changed "titular" to "eponymous". Although both words could be used at a stretch I think titular means "of the title" and eponymous "named after". So the latter would only work if the film were called "Scaramanga". Britmax (talk) 07:32, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Maybe someone is describing Scaramanga as "titular" because he has a third nipple? Betty Logan (talk) 07:52, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Ha! Absolutely. Britmax (talk) 08:03, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

Plot questions

A few questions related to the plot as it is written now:

• "Bond escapes with the aide of Lt. Hip and his karate-adept nieces, who defeat the entire dojo." Can anyone confirm this part? I don't have it on my version of the film! where Bond "just" jumps through a thin wall to escape the dojo, without anyone's assistance.
• "... Scaramanga's car transforming into a plane and flying away to his island in the Yellow Sea near China". Is it actually said in the film that the Island is in the Yellow Sea? The fiming location for the island is in Thailand (Phang Nga Bay). Maps shown in the film indicate Thai names. The protagonists say it is in "Red China" territory. Any reference to the Yellow Sea?

olivier (talk) 20:16, 12 September 2010 (UTC)

GA Status

Even though this is one of the weakest films in the Bond series, it should be up at GA Status, so there will be a number of major alterations going on over the next few weeks. I've already taken a couple of contentious steps which may upset some, but these are necessary to bring the article up to speed:

• I've added tags to all IMDb references as this is not a valid source for information, as per WP:IMDb These will be replaced as and when relevant information comes to light.
• I've deleted an entire section on the Republic RC-3 Seabee Seaplane as being far too detailed (and entirely unsourced) for a GA standard article, as per WP:SS.

Rather than just reverting any of the edits that have been made, if people could talk about them here first and we can discuss why steps have been taken. If anyone is able to lend a hand in the editing, it would be much appreciated. We’ve so far managed to get two articles up to GA status (Dr. No and Goldfinger) with one more (On Her Majesty's Secret Service) going through the nomination process at the moment. If anyone is able to help in any way - for example in providing reliable references (especially from printed material) it would be much appreciated. Thanks for any help anyone can provide! - SchroCat (^ • @) 15:34, 9 August 2011 (UTC)

WP:FILM Assessment

Per a request at Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Assessment, I have reviewed this article to determine if it should be assessed at B class. Below are a few issues that should be resolved prior to reassessment.

1. File:James Bond 007 pistol.jpg, although photographed by an editor, still copyrighted elements on the toy's packaging, and likely needs to be tagged with a non-free template (and probably pulled from Wikimedia Commons). I'm not a 100% on the requirements for that, so it would be a good idea to ask one of the non-free image help request pages.  Done (by Igordebraga) - SchroCat (^ • @) 00:01, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
2. "the film currently (as at August 2011)"; just reword to "as of August 2011, the film..."  Done (by Igordebraga) - SchroCat (^ • @) 23:59, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
3. "The Man with the Golden Gun earned a total of $97,600,000..." For consistency with the other numbers in the section, go with "$97.6".  Done (by Igordebraga) - SchroCat (^ • @) 23:59, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
4. Check that all of the dates are using the same style formatting, I saw some back-and-forth.  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 23:56, 14 August 2011 (UTC)
5. As always, I recommend archiving the urls of the citations using WebCite to avoid future linkrot.  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 11:51, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

Good work on continuing the improvement of the Bond series. The article can be upgraded to B class when the above is addressed. You can either make this assessment yourself or let me know and I'll give it another look. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 19:11, 14 August 2011 (UTC)

There are a few bits which I think need citing (there are probably a lot more, but these are the ones I can see and have not got sources of my own to use):

Production

• "The novel is mostly set in Jamaica, a location which had been already used in the earlier films, Dr. No and Live and Let Die, so the producers went for another location" (the production choice is the issue: was this a conscious decision by Broccoli & Saltzman?)  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 08:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Filming

• "Thai locations included Bangkok, Thon Buri, Phuket and the nearby Phang Nga Province, on the islands of Ko Khao Phing Kan (Thai: เกาะเขาพิงกัน) and Ko Tapu (Thai: เกาะตะปู)."  Done Answered my own question there... - SchroCat (^ • @) 12:17, 15 August 2011 (UTC)
• "Willard was paid £30,000 for the stunt, which was held under Eon Productions copyright for several years afterwards"  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:46, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
• "Christopher Lee did his own driving in the Bangkok car chase"  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 08:09, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Other media

• Pretty much the entire section!  Done (by Igordebraga) Looks much better now - and logical to move it to the character page, rather than this one - SchroCat (^ • @) 19:58, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

We're not doing too badly at the moment. BettyLogan said they would have a look in the next few days and I greatly respect their views on how much further we need to go, but I reckon we should be able to nominate this at some point this week, with a bit of luck! - SchroCat (^ • @) 09:06, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

I unfortunately don't have time to look over the article again closer until later this week. With a quick glance, I don't see any immediate issues that wouldn't already be brought up by the GA review. I would recommend deleting the Wikimedia Commons image of the toy gun though. Let me know when the next Bond film is ready. --Happy editing! Nehrams2020 (talk • contrib) 03:13, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks Nehrams - and don't worry it's no longer a Wikimedia Commons image. - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:40, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Nomination time?

Igor, Betty, I think we're pretty much set with this one and can go to Nomination to see what else shakes loose. I'll nominate now and we can fill in any further gaps in the process. I won't ask Matthew to look over it just yet, in case you think there is still more to do, unless you think we're ready for the full review. Any suggestions for changes / need for additional citations etc, outline them below and we'll see what we can collectively do again. Cheers - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:55, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I still have to check it for verifiability/neutrality, so I'd give it a couple of days. Betty Logan (talk) 13:40, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Everything seems to be well-balanced, and well-written. I still need to take a closer look at the sourcing though which I will do later or tomorrow. Betty Logan (talk) 14:15, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

• The sourcing is pretty comprehensive. I think we should source that Desmond Llewelyn is the longest serving actor in the series though, since it's a claim that isn't obvious by just looking at Bond cast lists. There is also the question of the usage of "titular" and "eponymous". I changed it to "eponymous" but it was reverted back to "titular" on the grounds that the film isn't called "Scaramanga". I disagree with this interpretation, because by referring to Scaramanga as the "eponymous main villain" essentially means that the film takes its title from this character i.e. Scaramanga is the "man with the golden gun" of the film's title. All "titular" means is that he bears a title. This could simply mean he's called "Count Scaramanga" for all we know, it doesn't necessarily mean he bears a title which is also the name of the film; if we are going to use the word "titular" I believe the correct usage would be "Scaramanga is the titular 'Man with the Golden Gun', the main villain". "Eponymous" tends to be the usual term for a character that shares a moniker with the title of a book; I don't think it's a GA issue, but I'd be interested in how others view this. Betty Logan (talk) 22:36, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I've added a cite for Llewelyn - you're right, it needed one, although it took me ages to find something that specifically said so, rather than vaguely mentioned the five Bonds! In terms of titular / eponymous, my gut reaction is for eponymous, although I've changed both references to it in the text to a non-contentious setting as haviong gone through the OED I'm not sure that either of them are 100% correct - although that's because I'm being hideously pedantic! In the intervening period between completing this and waiting for the review, I've made a start on the woefully under-cited For Your Eyes Only which is going to need a fair amount of work to get it up to GA status (only ten citations for the whole article when I started - too horrible for thought!) but we're on the way with some more solid foundations in place already: I hope you've got both the time (and inclination!) to help out on this, which I think will be challenging! Cheers - SchroCat (^ • @) 08:30, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm not that sure of my ground either. I don't think it would affect GA, and I'd be happy to defer to the reviewer on a matter like that anyway, but it's probably best to remove it if neither usage is typical, even if either is correct. It has piqued my interest though, so if anyone has a definitive answer I'd be interested in hearing it. I'll take a look at FYEO before the end of the week. Betty Logan (talk) 17:32, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

I'll stick up the two OED definitions later: although definitive, they are also not a guide as to the best circumstances in which to use either term! - SchroCat (^ • @) 18:09, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

PS. Thanks for agreeing to look over FYEO too - and for sticking with my pleading through all the other edits too! It really is much appreciated! - SchroCat (^ • @) 18:11, 17 August 2011 (UTC)

Hong Kong Dragon Garden location

I think it's important to mention the Hong Kong Dragon Garden location as it was a backdrop of almost 20 minutes of scenes --Katous1978 (talk) 20:29, 17 January 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:The Man with the Golden Gun (film)/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Matthew RD 15:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

Here we go again. I shall conduct the review, which I'll start later. -- Matthew RD 15:21, 16 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the delay. Here is how the article fairs against the GA criteria;

1. Well written: See notes below.
2. Sources: No dead links, none that is questionably reliable. ✓ Pass
3. Broadness in coverage: See notes below.
4. Neutral: ✓ Pass
5. Stability: No issues (edit wars). ✓ Pass
6. Images: Non-free images check out. Free ones too. ✓ Pass

I'll continue later. -- Matthew RD 20:02, 22 August 2011 (UTC)

I'm back, and I'm finishing off this review. A few spelling and grammer issues I fixed myself. Still, there are other issues that need to be addressed;

• "Soon-Tek Oh trained in martial arts for the role,[8] and was partially dubbed over.[9]" Does that mean his voice was dubbed over?  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
• "Yuen Qiu, cast as one of the nieces of Lieutenant Hip in Bangkok, would showcase her martial art skills almost 30 years later as the chain smoking Landlady in Stephen Chow's blockbuster Kung Fu Hustle (2004).[34]" sounds like a tangent from the main topic, the film.  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
• "with one writer suggesting that the stunt "brings into focus the lack of excitement in the rest of the film and is spoilt by the use of 'comedy' sound effects.[20]" Who is the writer?  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
• The first three reviews used the word "scathing" for each. I think it would be better to replace some of those, with other negative words.  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
• Maxim leads to a disambiguation page. I take it your intention was Maxim (magazine)?  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
• Again, like the other 007 films I reviewed, quotes that need direct sources at the end;
  • ""...the script is the limpest of the lot and...Roger Moore as 007 is the last man on earth to make it sound better than it is."  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "with depressing borrowings from Hong Kong kung-fu movies, not to mention even more depressing echoes of the 'Carry On' smut."  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "his beautiful, idiot side-kick...the least appealing of the Bond heroines."  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "attraction of the early Bond films" had been "replaced by decorators of competence but little of his flair."  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "What Sean Connery used to achieve with a touch of sardonic sadism, Roger Moore conveys with roguish schoolboy charm and the odd, dry quip."  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "Overtricky, uninspired, these exercises show the strain of stretching fantasy well past wit."  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)
  • "a very laboured movie, with Bond a stiff bore, Adams and Britt Ekland uninspired leading ladies".  Done - SchroCat (^ • @) 07:21, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

As usual, I'll place it on hold until those issues are sorted out. Besides that, nice read. -- Matthew RD 03:30, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Thanks again Matthew - all now done, but if there are any other concerns please let me know. We've nominated For Your Eyes Only in the last day or so and will move on to complete the last two soon... Thanks again! SchroCat (^ • @) 07:23, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

On that note, I'll pass the article. Good job! -- Matthew RD 12:47, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Hi Matthew - that's great news - thanks so much again for doing this - I know we're becoming a regular pain in the neck with our constatnt pleading! Thanks again - SchroCat (^ • @) 13:10, 23 August 2011 (UTC)

Why did they make the gun out of real gold?

It's only a prop. Why spend so much on real gold? Equinox ◑ 09:11, 28 June 2016 (UTC)

Lyrics

Quote: The lyrics to the Lulu song were written by Don Black and have been described variously as ... "one long stream of smut", because of their sexual innuendo.

There is only one sexual reference in the lyrics: "Love is required whenever he's hired / It come just before the kill" so the allegation of "one long stream of smut" is counterfactual. Maikel (talk) 09:15, 16 November 2020 (UTC)

He has a powerful weapon. He charges a million a shot. Who will he bang? Incidentally, this may well be the last Bond song that is an ode to the villain. 2A01:CB0C:CD:D800:A449:DE57:D3EA:346E (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

The only other one I can think of is "Goldfinger". GA-RT-22 (talk) 02:52, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Bumps Willert spelling

Our sources disagree whether it's "Willert" or "Willard". None of the cited sources say "Williard." I'm pretty sure "Willert" is correct, as that's how it's spelled in his obituary.[2] GA-RT-22 (talk) 20:31, 6 August 2021 (UTC)

Replace "Midget" with more neutral word

Reading this article, I felt "midget" was somehow outdated. The thing that complicates this assessment on further research, and probably the reason the word is used in this article, is that actor Hervé Villechaize insisted on being called a "midget" rather than a "dwarf" which is the word I was ready to suggest we use. I want to respect the preference of the performer, but it's also context that an uninformed reader wouldn't have. I suspect Wikipedia has a style guide that might illuminate this. 68.227.249.58 (talk) 05:36, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

While it's appropriate to use the word "midget" in the article on Hervé Villechaize because that's what he prefers, I don't think it's appropriate here. We're not describing the actor, we're describing the character. "Dwarf" was first added in 2008 here [3]. It was switched back to "midget" in 2021 here [4] by Ohpopshop. GA-RT-22 (talk) 14:59, 12 February 2023 (UTC)

Ok now I'm not so sure. Per MOS:FILMPLOT the film is the source for the plot, and the film uses the word "midget", not "dwarf". GA-RT-22 (talk) 18:11, 12 February 2023 (UTC)