Talk:The Critic (modern magazine)

This article was nominated for deletion on 24 September 2021. The result of the discussion was keep.

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Contested deletion

This article should not be speedily deleted for lack of asserted importance because it is a nationally published print and online magazine, with top-name contributors and editors including Toby Young, Dominic Green, Roger Kimball, Jeremy Black and David Starkey. Any publication with names like those behind it is a cultural landmark, if it lasts, and it has done so far.

I am not a subscriber nor contributor, but I have not been able to miss the impact this relative newcomer has had. If citations are needed, they can be provided: plenty can be found via Google. Hogweard (talk) 21:18, 24 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm pretty sure you can't buy notability in that manner; that would suggest that a redirect to Jeremy Hosking would be more appropriate. Or restore the Victorian magazine to the title.

I'm looking for evidence of actual third-party notability for the publication. It's scant indeed. The two sources present right now are from launch publicity, which is the sort of single event that isn't generally enough to make it past WP:CORPDEPTH. The quote from the Prospect guy is a statement that The Critic is superfluous - and so, when I look at it, is the quote from The Drum. There's another bit of launch publicity in the Telegraph [1].

That's all I could find just now for RS coverage of the magazine. Is there any more that I missed? - David Gerard (talk) 23:38, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I note, btw, that that's zero RS coverage in the nearly two years since its launch - David Gerard (talk) 13:27, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

a week and nothing - PROD - David Gerard (talk) 17:12, 22 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Well I have only just received a note of this, after I created the article. I see refs and links to its articles all over the place, but not on easily citable sources. I have no connection with the magazine, but I can dig around. A nationally circulating magazine with top-level writers is though a big noise on its own. Wikipedia has far more obscure topics, after all.Hogweard (talk) 06:52, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS isn't generally regarded as a strong argument. But if we can find RSes beyond the launch press tour, then that'd be good. I was surprised I couldn't find anything. The Times article turns out to be an opinion column, not a news story. The full text shows little context, or even a named source - David Gerard (talk) 13:54, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I find that Google is not the answer to all things! I have found many more citations, where the magazine is quoted as a trusted source of commentary.

The Critic is a magazine which the last published figures show has a substantial circulation, of close to 20,000 (ABC Data: The Critic). Given the quality of the contributors, which include several big names (as I mentioned above), it is going to be a big-hitter.

Articles and commentaries in The Critic have frequently been referenced in other periodicals, which shows an influence. For example, I came across:

Abba returns.. in The Week, quoting Alexander Larman in The Critic;
(Various others in The Week, but as I was about to look them up, the search page crashed.)
The Times, 18 February 2020
The Times Diary in 2021
Red Box Podcast (from 00:16:10; Panel with The New Statesman, The Spectator and The Critic

It is not a minor mag. Hogweard (talk) 21:43, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

These are passing mentions, and a podcast mention certainly isn't an RS - David Gerard (talk) 19:42, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]