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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: rejected by BuySomeApples (talk) 19:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Created by Venkat TL (talk). Self-nominated at 09:23, 16 December 2021 (UTC).[reply]

  • The quotes in a review are in the wrong area. "Writing for The Wire, Manoj Joshi in his review suggests that the book seeks to unravel “the riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma” of Chinese military strategy and strongly recommends that the book "should be [a] compulsory reading in our [India's] military institutions". compared to "Amrita Jash has done a signal service in trying to put together a publication that seeks to unravel “the riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma” of Chinese military strategy for the Indian reader." The sentence should be rewritten so that the quotes can be placed before seeks and then after strategy. The quotes for "The book seeks to unravel "the riddle, wrapped in a mystery inside an enigma" of Chinese military strategy. in the Content section is the same way. I know that there are quotes in the middle of the quote, but the other content is still being lifted from the source. There are two parts that are exactly like the source that need to be reworded - "the directions of contemporary Chinese military thinking" and "deliberate deception to camouflage offensive action". The direct quotes for "Indian Navy's Captain Gurpreet S. Khurana in his review for the MP-IDSA's Journal of Defence Studies suggests that the book attempts "to answer some key questions of immense relevance today about China as a neighbour, as well as China as a major global power. [...] as the author says, ‘What entails China's rise?’" are misplaced compared to the source. SL93 (talk) 01:48, 25 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Is ALT1 acceptable? First, an overview of the article, in order to put the ALTs into context of the subject at hand. The subject is the book.

I think the article as it stands is not neutral, and that the ALTs which repeat a non-neutral point of view are treading on dangerous ground. To balance the article, the creator would do well to read through the Journal of Defence Studies review in full, and summarise the very complex arguments in the article. Whether that review is just somebody's opinion or not, it does make clear that the book is very carefully and at length discussing all the background and subtlety of the situation, and not putting forward one accusation (that China is pretending to have a defence policy, but that it really has an attack policy).

Subtlety is an interesting word. People may think it is to do with craftiness and plotting, but really subtlety is something which, as you stare at it, seems to change before your eyes into one thing and then into another thing. That effect occurs because you are looking at something which is neither one thing nor the other, but is in reality something else and/or a combination of both things or various things. The Journal of Defence Studies review appears to recognise that. The Manoj Joshi review quoted in the above ALTs appears to be a knee-jerk reaction based on what the West expects China to be up to, and (as I understand it) the context of that knee-jerk reaction could be the fact that the West is already doing that very thing - as the JDS review says.

So my suggestion is that the creator should re-write the article in a neutral manner, presenting all the complexities mentioned in the JDS review, besides the Manoj Joshi review. Once that is acceptable, we can then look for an ALT which represents the subject of the article in a balanced manner.

I should add that my stance here is not biased east-west or vice versa. I do recognise that China has a far, far older and far more complex philosophical attitude to war and politics than the West has ever had - and there is the language barrier. That makes it difficult to fully understand and respect each other. But in this article, we do need to make a good attempt to try to understand, using the few sources that we have for this subject, then we need to treat the subject with respect. In case any of the above is not clear, my response to the above ALTs is a no - but its worth trying again. Storye book (talk) 14:39, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Insert "DYK maybe" icon based on the thorough review above. Flibirigit (talk) 19:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I will try to fix the pointed issues. Need some time. Venkat TL (talk) 13:31, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It has been over a month, Venkat TL has yet to make any edits at all to address the issues raised back on January 2, and a ping to their talk page was archived without any action. It's time to close this nomination as unsuccessful. BlueMoonset (talk) 06:39, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
BlueMoonset, sorry for the late reply, I had been busy in other stuff. I still intend to fix the concerns. I will update this once I am done. Venkat TL (talk) 06:57, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Venkat TL, it has taken too long already. If the fixes have not been made by 25 February, I will be closing the nomination at that time, assuming no one beats me to it. Please make your plans accordingly. BlueMoonset (talk) 18:51, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@BlueMoonset and Venkat TL: I'm closing this nomination since none of the article's issues have been fixed since January 2, and the article has had no major improvements since December. BuySomeApples (talk) 19:25, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Author's page

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@Venkat TL Is the author eligible for a Wikipedia page? Ref: WP:AUTHOR. RPSkokie (talk) 14:38, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RPSkokie short answer is I dont know. She may pass WP:NPROF due to her academic work [1]. As for books I believe at least 2 notable books are needed before an author's page can be created. This book however was clearly notable due to the reviews it received from the critics. Venkat TL (talk) 14:47, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL If that is the case, she is not yet ready. RPSkokie (talk) 14:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RPSkokie, Not saying she is notable yet, but Even if she is a notable author, if there is not enough content available to write a proper bio, it is better to cover the bio as a section on this page. A separate page only makes sense if there are more than one books with wikipedia page, and enough content to write. Venkat TL (talk) 14:04, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL correct. I am working on a few notable books based on your instructions. My attention is drawn more to the topics discussed and the information presented in the books than to their writers. Aside from that, building BLP pages is not where my strengths lie. RPSkokie (talk) 14:12, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RPSkokie. As a suggestion, it will be a good idea to cover the bio as a section of the article on notable book. Bio can later on be WP:SPINOFF. Venkat TL (talk) 14:24, 19 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL I made an effort to acquire some information regarding the author. However, I have some reservations about the reliability of the sources. But this fact-finding mission led me to one of her edited books, which I used as a basis to create a page; COVID-19 and Its Challenges. You are welcome to look it through and make any changes you see fit. RPSkokie (talk) 13:35, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RPSkokie the article is fine. I will try to update it in future. Venkat TL (talk) 18:06, 20 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
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