Talk:The Chosen (TV series)

Corrections needed

Some important corrections are needed for the benefit of accuracy.

The disciples: "Apostle", when mentioned in the cast list character descriptions, needs to be changed to "disciple". Numerous cast lists and interviews online refer to those characters as "disciples", never "apostles". In the show's roundtables, the 12 are always referred to as disciples, never apostles. For a reliable source to support "disciple", please see the link below to Angel Studios. This verifies via the official cast list that none of the original 12 are listed as "apostle", rather, as "disciple".

Little James: The character of Little James is listed in the article's cast list character description as a "member" of the Jerusalem 288. In episode 6 of season 1, an exchange between Simon and Little James has the latter telling the former that he met Jesus while he was on the road to Jerusalem, on his way to join "the 288", aka, the Jerusalem Temple Choir. He had not become a member of the choir but was a recruit or prospective member. This is also verified at the Angel Studios link provided below.

The following link is to the show's cast list at Angel Studios, the media company and film distribution studio that distributed The Chosen beginning in 2017. [1]

Thank you, A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 21:58, 31 December 2023 (UTC)

Cast list (redux)

Considering the recent editing history, as well as not so recent, the cast list has been a constant source of article instability, and that instability has twice now contributed to GA status fail. Some of the past issues were due to disagreements over formats, as the initial building of the cast was not as clearcut within the scope of our MoS when compared to other TV series. And some of it is simply due to fancruft constantly creeping in.

To address this issue head on, I have added a List of The Chosen characters list article. This isn't considered a formal split, as the main article still contains the main cast (see more below), but it has the benefit of giving some room for expansion that wouldn't be appropriate in the main article due to size. I believe the cast size and complexity also warrants this.

Keep in mind that while there is no specific "one right way" to display this type of information, there are likewise many incorrect ways to do it as well. While expansion of the content on the list article is encouraged, it also needs to remain "encyclopedic" in nature and not simply "fancruft". No trivia, and keep the minutiae to a minimum.

What really needs to happen on the list article at this point is expansion of other characters that were omitted from the original article due to size/complexity reasons (see past discussions: [2][3][4]). Now that there is a list article, these recurring and guest characters are more approrpriate to list - in fact, encouraged. Make sure it makes sense to list, however; no fancruft applies. Also, make sure you are famililar with MOS:TV, specifically that which is related to MOS:TVCAST ButlerBlog (talk) 16:17, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Why the sermon, the lecture, the warnings, the condescension, the instruction? Why not just say "Here's a new article, let's work on it together", and see what happens? A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 17:21, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Again, just wow. You really always read things that aren't ever there, don't you? I'm simply at a loss at this point. I quite literally just withdrew my request that your article block be extended to the talk page.[5] I'm already regretting that decision. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:31, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Please see my response to your warning and comments here at my talk page.[6] The threats from you and the attempts to block me from editing really need to stop. You lectured me on good faith, and then followed up with all of the above. It's just doesn't seem to be in the spirit of collaboration and working with others in editing Wikipedia. I just want to help grow the articles on The Chosen and make them helpful to readers. That's it, that's my motivation. Nothing more. A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 17:47, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Well, for starters, you seem to think that the above was directed at you, which it's not. It's directed in general (since, I don't know if you've noticed, but there are a lot of editors who contribute) in order to point out existing MOS. Past editing history in general has shown that we get a lot of inexperienced editors who don't know (or care) that there's an existing MOS and that we are an encyclopedia, not a fan site. The guidance is intentional for that purpose. Whether that applies to you personally or not depends on you. I just want to help grow the articles on The Chosen and make them helpful to readers - if you want to do that, then follow existing guidelines and we'll get along fine. ButlerBlog (talk) 17:57, 1 January 2024 (UTC)

Description

"The chosen" actually refers to those chosen by Jesus to follow Him. The description in the info box states the show is based on the life of Jesus. Unless that is the description given by Dallas Jenkins, I think we need to make a correction and for it to read that the show is based on the Biblical Gospel books or Biblical Gospel. Also, the description of the show in the opening paragraphs reads awkwardly to me. Any input here would be good. Thanks in advance. A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 06:05, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

That description comes from the main sources used in the article (which includes interview material from Jenkins), including NYT, WSJ, and the Atlantic - they all say that. NYT leads with "a TV series about the life of Jesus". However, based on the {{Infobox television}} docs, it's also supportable to just remove it, since that's not exactly the intent of the parameter. It should either say what sources say (which is what it is now), or be removed. Since it now appears that the pending GA review will finally be picked up during the March backlog drive, please hold off on making any major changes. ButlerBlog (talk) 07:12, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

Dallas has given many, many interviews about the show. There are roundtable discussions about the show and episodes which are livestreamed and added to the DVDs, as well. He has said numerous times that the show is not just about the life of Jesus. Since you brought up GAR, and you are at the forefront of the GA push for this article, how accepting will you be of changes to the article content, prose, and so on? (beyond updates regarding releases and such as the show continues over the next 3-4 years) And as things are currently, I see several places where the prose is awkward, badly written. Wouldn't you want to improve upon such things now BEFORE the actual review commences? Also, based on discussions and the number of edits I've made in the last three months, you know that I have a strong interest in improving the articles on The Chosen, why would you not want to include me in improving the article? Did you know that there are two Chosen specials that aren't included in this article but should be? It's things like that which I think you and I can work together on. It seems to me you would rather be solo on the article rather than a collaborator. Why not put our heads and time together and collaborate? A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 15:20, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

I'd support just removing the |based_on= param from the infobox because as I noted, what that param is intended for doesn't really fit this instance.

As far as the GA nom, I'm just asking you to hold off until the current GA review process is complete. The next step after GA would be working on it to get it to A-class and eventually WP:FA. To be honest, your unfamiliarity with the assessment and review process was part of the previous failure. I am not saying that was the reason - that was more the result of the inexperience of a reviewer who was in over her head, too new to be doing GA reviews - but it was a contributing factor. And this didn't help, either. The only other explanation would be intentionally sabotaging the process, and I truly do not believe you would do that. I do believe you want to make it better because you keep saying this is an article and topic you care about. If that's true, then it would be the most helpful for the article and its future for you to be patient. There will be plenty of opportunity to work on it more from here. ButlerBlog (talk) 16:09, 8 March 2024 (UTC)

"To be honest, your unfamiliarity with the assessment and review process was part of the previous failure." No it wasn't. Besides, you pulled the nomination, didn't you? It wouldn't have passed GA anyway, not at that time. The writing was not great then and still isn't. There are still errors in it and the article is missing information. A4M2 Alaska4Me2 (talk) 03:24, 9 March 2024 (UTC)

Reception subjectivity/stylistic

Second paragraph of "Reception" section seems pretty subjective, talking about how Holywood "gatekeeps" Christian cinema. The person writing also seems to talk directly to the reader by commenting that christian watchers will most likely enjoy the series. Might think about editing this paragraph/section. 83.6.178.172 (talk) 12:38, 29 August 2024 (UTC)

You have to read those in context with the remainder of the paragraph. It is a part of the whole, especially in the case of the second item mentioned. If these stood on their own without sources, I'd be inclined to agree, but that's not the case. Certainly, there is always room for improving an article, but this section was worked, reworked, and refined several times based on independent assessments for C-class, B-class, and GA status. ButlerBlog (talk) 01:59, 30 August 2024 (UTC)

Correct an accolade to show "Won"

Hello, I noticed that under the shows Accolades, it says that Jonathan Rumie was nominated for an award but in fact he won the prize. Here is my source. Could someone correct this please? Thank you!

https://movieguideawards.com/category/winners/ AB12349 (talk) 23:59, 10 September 2024 (UTC)

Assuming you're referring to 2020, that has now been updated. ButlerBlog (talk) 14:04, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

Awesome. Thank you so much! AB12349 (talk) 16:52, 12 September 2024 (UTC)

propose make "(TV series)" page a member of a franchise page

Looks like "The Chosen" is now a franchise, of which "The Chosen" (TV series) is a member.

https://deadline.com/2024/09/the-chosen-bibical-series-spinoffs-moses-joseph-1236096060/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.164.37.215 (talk) 14:04, 21 September 2024 (UTC)