Talk:The Bear (TV series)

How do you determine which if any episodes deserves it's own Wiki page?

At the time of asking this question, only S1E7 and S1E8 (Review and Braciole) have their own pages.

From an under-educated and very casual Wikipedia person, I feel like the acclaim from say S2E6 and S2E10 (Fishes and The Bear) are worthy of pages.

Or why not might as well make Wiki pages for all the episodes? If someone got started on the first 2 (Review/Braciole), might as well, right? Duyneuzaenasagae (talk) 04:00, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Please see WP:NEPISODE which states: An episode of a television series is not inherently notable simply because it has aired. No, not every episodes deserve an article. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:12, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Okay, but that again leads to the main question "How do you determine which if any episodes deserves it's own Wiki page?"

Looking at you Review and Braciole. Duyneuzaenasagae (talk) 04:44, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

"Review" and "Braciole" have articles simply because an editor took the time to create them and were able to flesh them out with plot, production, and reception information with many reliable sources as references. Please see WP:NTVEP for more info regarding articles for TV episodes. Drovethrughosts (talk) 11:10, 1 August 2023 (UTC)

Is The Bear a comedy?

While it was nominated and won awards as a comedy, it's curious to me that it was defined as such -- and given others edits I see similar comments. Perhaps this deserves a new section in the article to address the issue of what genre this show actually is? Burtherman (talk) 19:24, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

For example, the BBC address this here: https://www.bbc.com/culture/article/20240116-emmys-2024-why-people-are-baffled-by-the-bears-wins.

Other links include:

https://www.distractify.com/p/why-is-the-bear-a-comedy

https://www.indiewire.com/awards/industry/the-bear-comedy-white-lotus-drama-pga-awards-winners-emmy-predictions-1234813491/

Clearly this is a topic of debate that could be addressed in the article Burtherman (talk) 19:29, 25 January 2024 (UTC)

@Nolowook If you want to discuss your reasoning for removing the paragraph related to this, please feel free to do so here. Burtherman (talk) 16:38, 16 February 2024 (UTC)

Yes Nolowook (talk) 19:40, 19 February 2024 (UTC)

No. It's gaming the system to avoid losing to Succession in the drama section. Not a comedy. JohnDoeJohnny (talk) 17:50, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

The Bear is not an in-your-face, three-jokes-a-minute sitcom but it does have quite a bit of comedy moments and comedic scenes. But of course, we're not here to inject our opinion but rather reflect reliable sources. The show presents itself as a comedy-drama and therefore it is. Of course we also cover properly sourced criticism/controversy around that designation with its deserved weight. Stefen 𝕋ower_{s among the rest!} ^{Gab • Gruntwerk} 09:16, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

As much as we can criticize the show for not being laugh out loud funny, it was still created and marketed as a comedy. Editors need to realize that "comedy-drama" isn't the same thing as a sitcom; it doesn't need to have a joke every 5 seconds to be a comedy.Mjks28 (talk) 20:58, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

There is also black comedy, which could very reasonably describe "The Bear," just as it did MASH later in its run. --Drmargi (talk) 23:01, 18 September 2024 (UTC)

Drafts for seasons 1-3, episodes and characters, and season 4 article.

This is a notice that I have created drafts for seasons 1, 2 and 3 of The Bear. All editors are welcome to come and help with the articles' development, and hopefully assist in getting them approved for the mainspace.

I have also created drafts for the list of episodes and list of characters. The episodes draft wouldn't be ready for mainspace yet, as there aren't enough episodes released to meet the criteria. The characters draft needs a lot of improvement, as I haven't done much with it yet.

There is also an article in the mainspace for the fourth season, which you can also help with. Mjks28 (talk) 03:27, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

The season 4 article has been turned into a redirect, but there is a season 4 draft you can help improve. Mjks28 (talk) 05:03, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

There's barely any production info in this main article, that should be expanded before creating any further articles. Pinging @User:Youngforever who declined drafts. Indagate (talk) 08:02, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

I agree, and am currently working on expanding the production sections. It would be great if you could help add to it in any way you can. Mjks28 (talk) 08:17, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

They failed WP:GNG and WP:TVSERIES as they were copied and pasted from parent article when they were first submitted to AFC. Season articles need to be standalone. I wasn't pinged FYI. — YoungForever^(talk) 00:42, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Could you read through the season one draft and provide some specific feedback as to how I could improve it for mainspace? Mjks28 (talk) 03:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I can honestly say the Drafts showed improvements from when they were first declined. Add a Casting section for the first season. Here is an example of an exceptional season article Grey's Anatomy season 17 should contain. But at bare minimum, it should look like Cobra Kai season 1. — YoungForever^(talk) 03:43, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Thank you. I will work on improving the drafts to this standard. Mjks28 (talk) 03:49, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

The Umbrella Academy season 4 is another example of at bare minimum. Please do keep in mind that What's on Netflix is not a reliable source because it is a fan-operated website. — YoungForever^(talk) 04:37, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

I have added the casting section, as well as improving other production sections in the draft. Are there any other aspects you would recommend I could improve? Mjks28 (talk) 04:48, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Expand the Development section such as information about executive producers and production companies that are involved with producing the first season. — YoungForever^(talk) 05:03, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Done. Are there any other improvements you can suggest? Mjks28 (talk) 06:28, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Again, season articles need to be standalone. They cannot be copied and pasted from the parent article because notability is not inherited. — YoungForever^(talk) 11:22, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

Some of the information I include in the season articles are copied and pasted from the parent article, only because it applies more to the season than the overall series. That information was in the parent article because there wasn't a season article to put it into. Once the season article has been approved for mainspace, I remove the repeated information from the parent article so it fits the more specific place, which is the season article. I always try to expand this information and provide more sources to prove notability. Mjks28 (talk) 11:34, 23 September 2024 (UTC)

That's not how it works. Please see MOS:TVSPLIT which states: There should be real world content to accompany any additional split that is not simply a duplication of the main page's content (e.g., reception specifically for that season, or that episode; production information for the season or the episode), or duplication of the season page's content (e.g., an episode article that contains one or two reviews, and used the overall production information about the season that isn't specific to any one episode). This is because notability is not inherited from a parent article, and all articles must stand on their own. — YoungForever^(talk) 13:56, 23 September 2024 (UTC)