Talk:The Archives of the Planet

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Rlink2 (talk) 15:48, 6 May 2022 (UTC)

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Great Pyramid and the Sphinx

To T:DYK/P2

• ... that The Archives of the Planet (pictured, Great Pyramid of Giza) includes 72,000 color photographs of human cultures taken in 50 countries between 1908 and 1931? Source: Lundemo, Trond (2017). "Mapping the World: Les Archives de la Planète and the Mobilization of Memory". Memory in Motion: Archives, Technology and the Social. Amsterdam University Press. pp. 218–219.
  • Comment: Third nomination so QPQ not required.

Created by Rublov (talk). Self-nominated at 22:28, 11 April 2022 (UTC).

• This new article is long enough and well-sourced making it eligible for nomination. The copyvio is unlikely and the prose is well written. The hook is interesting and appealing, however, I am unable to verify which portion of the provided source directly supports the "photographs of human cultures". --Mhhossein ^talk 05:49, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Mhhossein: Thank you for the review. The bit about "human cultures" is backed up by de Luca, Tiago (2022). "A Disappearing Planet". Planetary Cinema: Film, Media and the Earth. Amsterdam University Press. p. 261., which says the Archive's ambition was planetary: to record the whole world, its places and its peoples... As Kahn saw it, his Archive was to respond to a sweeping globalisation that threatened local cultures and rural lifestyles. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 13:37, 13 April 2022 (UTC)

  You're welcome Ruбlov and thanks for providing the source. Unfortunately, the new source is not supporting the hook either. I would say "...72,000 color photographs of local cultures taken in...". I should add that the source has a attributive tone, too, but this is not so serious here. --Mhhossein ^talk 06:46, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

  @Mhhossein: "Human culture" is a synonym that in my opinion works better in the hook. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 12:01, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

  How about this? ALT1: ... that The Archives of the Planet (pictured, Great Pyramid of Giza) includes 72,000 color photographs and 183,000 meters of film taken in 50 countries between 1908 and 1931? Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 12:23, 14 April 2022 (UTC)

  Thanks for the new hook, but I believe it's not as interesting. I was waiting for something like "photographs of ...". ALT1 seems vague to me, to be honest. I think this source can be used for the "human culture" hook. Your thoughts? --Mhhossein ^talk 18:24, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

  I think this should be good enough for the original hook: "The imagery is from the collection of French banker and philanthropist Albert Kahn (1860-1940), who dispatched photographers worldwide in the early decades of the twentieth century, to capture on film various cultures at the point of change." (Johnson, Brian (Summer 2012). "Review: Middle East: the Birth of Nations—Albert Kahn's Archive of the Planet". Review of Middle East Studies. 46 (1): 92–93.) Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 19:24, 15 April 2022 (UTC)

• Well, we can say the provided source is supporting the original hook. Good to go with the original hook. --Mhhossein ^talk 06:14, 17 April 2022 (UTC)

(copied from Template talk:Did you know nominations/The Archives of the Planet) @Bruxton: I'm not sure if this was your decision or not but I feel it's rather pointless to have this hook at DYK without an image when the article is about a photographic project. Surely a rare color photograph of the pyramids of Giza from a hundred years ago is more interesting than a generic picture of a hockey player? Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 00:39, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

@Rublov: I thought it could run without the image, but I will un-promote it and allow another editor to make a determination. Bruxton (talk) 02:12, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

@Bruxton: When you un-promote a hook, you need to re-transclude the nom on the Approved page. (On my phone, so not doing it right now). —Kusma (talk) 05:53, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Done now (managed to get to a proper computer). —Kusma (talk) 06:44, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

Buddhist lama in Beijing, 1913

Personally I find the images that include people more attractive than the Pyramid (where the colour doesn't add much). For example, I like the Istanbul one. —Kusma (talk) 09:03, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

This one? Am I allowed to propose alternate images? I think this image of a Buddhist lama also looks pretty cool. Ruбlov (talk • contribs) 14:09, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

Probably looks better than my suggestion at small size. And sure, you can propose other images, just need to get them accepted by the reviewer. —Kusma (talk) 14:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)

This is such a complex topic, perhaps we should divide it into more sub category's for less confusion :) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Timlyons29commando (talk • contribs) 16:53, 15 May 2022 (UTC)