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Semi-protected edit request on 19 June 2016

Please change "currently dissolved" under National Assembly in the Legislature type/body to "dissolved since 2014" because it presents a precise and accurate status of the legislative branch of the country. When using "currently dissolved" as a status, it implies and creates an illusion of a short time-span, state of changes, and/or recency. Since there is currently no real deadline for ending the dissolution of National Assembly, it is more accurate to simply stating that it has been dissolved since 2014. An argument can be made that there will likely be a referendum on the new constitution in August (see http://www.reuters.com/article/us-thailand-politics-idUSKCN0Z10FX), but no one can predict the result. Furthermore, a new constitution is one-step away from an election, which is scheduled from 6 months to a year after the referendum (if it passed at all), and two-step sway from actually having National Assembly.

8.26.230.198 (talk) 16:33, 19 June 2016 (UTC)

Done Discuss-Dubious (t/c) 14:57, 20 June 2016 (UTC)

October 2016 update request

The king has died, and the recent history section still mentions an August 2016 constitutional election as if it has not yet happened. Some updates are needed. -- SEWilco (talk) 14:53, 13 October 2016 (UTC)

Infrastructure

Earthquake preparedness and [1], civil defence might belong in a section about infrastructure. 176.11.185.103 (talk) 06:30, 3 December 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 January 2017

In the second paragraph of the section on Ethnic Groups it says '...make up approximately 20,650,000 million (34.1 percent) of the nation's population of 60,544,937[126] at the time of completion of the...'. The word 'million' is obviously not needed here. Remove the word 'million'. 81.135.61.173 (talk) 22:11, 1 January 2017 (UTC)

 Done - Thanks for pointing that out

The history of "King Taksin the great" a greatest king in the history. He established Thonburi as a new capital because Ayuthaya burned to the ground. King RamaI established a new capital "Bangkok" across the Chao Phraya river after King Taksin died (An unknown causes his death until today).King Thaksin a son of a Chinese man who migrant to Ayuthaya. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jparsit (talk • contribs) 17:32, 7 February 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 April 2017

Change the area rank from 51st to 50th

According to: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_area 92.58.77.5 (talk) 12:02, 9 April 2017 (UTC)

Done DRAGON BOOSTER ★ 03:50, 14 April 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 10 May 2017

"the only nation in the region that never colonized by western powers" should either say "the only nation in the region that was never colonized by western powers" or "the only nation in the region never colonized by western powers"

Thank you. 70.126.182.7 (talk) 00:41, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Done — IVORK Discuss 02:49, 10 May 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2017

The 1997-2001 section contains two pictures of assembly houses. One contains a hyperlink to the building but the other contains only a hyperlink to the National Assembly of Thailand. The Parliament House caption should be edited to include this link: Parliament House. Also, in the 2013-2014 Political Crisis section, there is no mention of the 2014 election itself. There should be a paragraph describing the Democrat Party boycott, the results of the election, and the invalidation of the election the day before the coup by the Constitutional Court based on the information already contained in the article Thai general election, 2014. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 141.161.133.17 (talk) 19:03, 1 June 2017 (UTC)

Culture: Cuisine: Missing unit of weight

There is a line in the Culture : Cuisine section which talks about the per capita consumption of rice "0ver 100 of milled rice per year". According to the source, the unit should be kilograms (kg). 66.241.130.86 (talk) 14:29, 2 June 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 13 June 2017

The first and second paragraphs both repeat that bangkok is the largest and the most populous city. 71.178.253.253 (talk) 20:53, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

Done Izno (talk) 03:22, 14 June 2017 (UTC)

Content merges

I've moved several large blocks of text on and off this page. I plan to do more editing, but want to give any other editors a chance to comment first. Power~enwiki (talk) 00:37, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

I've been working on Draft:History of Thailand since 2001 (and admittedly left it stale) for quite some time. It's still half incomplete, with all of the references needing to be filled out. Feel free to edit the newer draft, if you feel like it. --Paul_012 (talk) 03:14, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Clarify Coedes' definition of Thai

The Coedes reference is: "[t]he Thai military aristocracy distinguished itself at this time from the conquered populations: the ethnic term Thai took on the meaning of 'free man' in Siamese, thus differentiating the Thai from the natives encompassed in Thai society as serfs." (p.197).

This is different from what is currently on the article: "According to George Cœdès, the word Thai (ไทย) means "free man" in the Thai language"

Coedes has a footnote in this section referring to the etymology of the word "Frank" which was only the free Franks, not the rest of the population (serfs). Also the section above this discusses how this also follows the Khanate with its social classes, excluding the common people from the term "free men".

It would be more accurate to include the quote above, since it is not true that Coedes says the word Thai means free man, but rather that the word Thai as an ethnic term referred to the Thai military aristocracy as being "free men" in a society that also included non-Thai (non-free) common people (serfs and slaves). --Garden9 (talk) 10:22, 21 July 2017 (UTC)

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Thai names for Thailand

In this article, it is asserted that "Prataet Thai" and "MueangThai" are the "polite form" and a more common name, respectively, used by Thais to refer to their nation. While this may have an etymological validity, it is not at all how the terms are currently and ubiquitously used by Thai people.

If you ask a Thai, or if you do even a cursiry analysis of usage, you will find that "Prataet Thai" and "Mueang Thai" are not at all 2 forms that are interchangable - they are 2 unique concepts with wholly separate semantic content. "Prataet Thai" refers to the Nation, the political and administrative 'state.' "Mueang Thai" means the Land, the Place itself, the geographic, physical area that is emcompassed by the National borders.

To understand, just consider that when, for example, a law is passed or an election is held in Oregon, and we say "Oregon prohibits such and such," we are referring to a political administration which enacts such a prohibition. But if I suggest that you would enjoy visiting and exploring Oregon, I am talking about the Place. The mountains, forests, and rivers, etc, do not enact laws. And tbe administrative state is likely not a great vacation destination.

This is why, as is pointed out in this article, the Thai national anthem's lyrics refer to "Prataet Thai." Much like the USA National Anthem, it is a tribute to the form and function (and preservation) of the government, not an ode to the beauty of the geographical locale.

You will almost never hear a Thai say "Prataet Thai," unless you ask a direct question about their government, or seek administrative assistance. 


Justanoldredneckhippie (talk) 06:12, 4 September 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 October 2017

I would like to add a citation for the following sentence in the article "Royal Thai Armed Forces Day is celebrated on 18 January, commemorating the victory of Naresuan of the Ayutthaya Kingdom in battle against the crown prince of the Taungoo Dynasty in 1593." Vetukudo (talk) 05:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[1] Vetukudo (talk) 05:26, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done for now: Hi,

Unfortunately I cannot add that particular citation at the moment because it requires a library id card number to access it. Sorry. Thanks. SparklingPessimist Scream at me! 01:23, 13 October 2017 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 26 October 2017

PULO is not from Sukarno support. They are from Malayan government funded by the British. Greenwind202 (talk) 04:54, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

Not done: please provide reliable sources that support the change you want to be made. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 05:10, 26 October 2017 (UTC)

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Semi-protected edit request on 19 November 2017

change: lunched on the morning of 8 December to: launched on the morning of 8 December Anthonygalea (talk) 10:31, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

Done Thanks! Galobtter (talkó tuó mió) 10:38, 19 November 2017 (UTC)

"Thai nationals"

Under Ethnic groups the term "Thai national" refers to anyone who is a citizen, regardless of ethnic affiliation. Instead, the text apparently wants to refer to Tai peoples instead. Kortoso (talk) 18:07, 22 December 2017 (UTC)

What do you mean by 'Tai peoples'? in the Ethnic group section, it clearly includes the Khmer, Malay, Karen, Chinese, and other hill tribes and foreign migrants. Clearly the text does not refer solely to the Tai-speaking peoples. The reason why the Tai-speaking peoples are mentioned many times is obviously because of the fact that they are the majority in Thailand and are consisted of quite a number of subgroups with different sizes of population.61.7.174.39 (talk) 19:10, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

Removal of protection status

I request the removal of protection status as I need to add some information in etymology section. Ysfgvkscwkk (talk) 14:49, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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@Deli nk: Thanks for your suggestion. What do you mean by you can attempt to edit the article and then click the blue "Submit an edit request" button and follow directions from there to request ? I see only the view source code button. Ysfgvkscwkk (talk) 15:07, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Sorry I wasn't clear. When you click "View source" you'll see instructions on what to do, which include the blue "Submit an edit request" button. Deli nk (talk) 15:14, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
Ysfgvkscwkk if you put the information/sentences here on this talk page (hopefully with reliable sources) I or someone else can add it to the etymology section. Galobtter (pingó mió) 15:26, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Suggest removal of "Name" section

Hi, the section "Name" is incorrect and does not give any information. These are not names of Thai Kingdom in the past, but rather succession of pasttime kingdoms. The section should read "History of Thailand is centered around these succession of states." Regarding official names, there are a few times that official names are mentioned: official "Kingdom of Siam" in Rama IV, official "Kingdom of Thailand" in Phibul era and official brief reversal back and forth between "Kingdom of Siam" and "Kingdom of Thailand" after WWII. --Horus (talk) 06:55, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

I've removed the entire section, since it was added by User:Shoshui without any substantiation in April 2017.[2] --Paul_012 (talk) 18:08, 4 March 2018 (UTC)

Suggested addition to "Economy" section

Hi, I'm hoping to add a section to this article on Thailand's informal economy, including a history of the informal economy (and how it expanded under widespread labor deregulation following the 1997 Asian Financial crisis) and the different types of informal labor that exist in Thailand today. Would anyone oppose this addition, or prefer I add the proposed history component to the general economy section of this article? Perl s (talk) 19:40, 20 March 2018 (UTC)

Good idea. --Paul_012 (talk) 12:40, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 24 March 2018

cite the claim "Royal Thai Armed Forces Day is celebrated on 18 January, commemorating the victory of Naresuan of the Ayutthaya Kingdom in battle against the crown prince of the Taungoo Dynasty in 1593." with {{cite web|url=http://www.epa.eu/politics-photos/defence-photos/the-royal-thai-armed-forces-day-2018-photos-54021661|title=The Royal Thai Armed Forces Day 2018 photo}} 67.242.19.37 (talk) 11:43, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

 Not done for now: Suggested source failed verification. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 20:05, 24 March 2018 (UTC)

Adding about weather

Can you let me add about Thai weather and season ? Theppakarn (talk) 03:19, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

@Theppakarn:, while this seems to be a simple question, there are policies that could give your question different meanings. If you are asking permission to edit through the current level of page protection, then the answer is no, we don't grant one-off exceptions to individual editors. You will need to wait until your account qualifies as autoconfirmed. If you are asking for the protection level to be dropped to allow all editors to add text such as you suggest, then you need to read the protection policy and possibly make a request at the noticeboard devoted to those requests. If you just want to present some weather and climate information and have an experienced user add it first make sure that it isn't in the Climate section of the page already. If it isn't then follow the directions at this link and make sure you specify exactly what existing text you want to modify and also provide a link to sources that you can cite. I apologize for dumping a lot of information all at once but I hope this helps. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 13:21, 27 March 2018 (UTC)

Explaining my version intro

@Zurkhardo: I would like to explain my idea for intro

  • In Paragraph 1, I added form of government per other country: "a federal parliamentary republic" (Germany) and "federal republic" (US). However, in the case of Thailand, I think some detail may be necessary for the understanding of its form of government.
  • In Paragraph 2, when you delete that much text, it leaves a large gap between 16th to 19th century. A better solution maybe to leave some historical events out in case you think it is not that important.
  • In Paragraph 3, you leave out the point where Thailand is the major and only US ally in South East Asia, which is also the source of westernization and modernization in the late 20th century. And you leave out the events in the 2000s which is utmost important.

Regards, --Horus (talk) 11:02, 26 April 2018 (UTC)

@Horus: That is fair, provided the details are not too specific given it is an intro. Thanks for taking the time to explain :) --Zurkhardo (talk) 02:13, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

If I put some back in, will you agree? --Horus (talk) 08:38, 27 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 June 2018

171.99.163.16 (talk) 16:29, 20 June 2018 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. EvergreenFir (talk) 17:01, 20 June 2018 (UTC)

Name of article

I think the article should be renamed to 'Mueang Thai' and that searches for Thailand and Siam should redirect to it.

The citizens of a country are the ones with a right to name it and as we get more and more into a global civilization, we need to stop forcing European names onto countries that already had names when the Europeans got there.

2601:543:C001:FE13:B904:6BD1:6C35:C316 (talk) 03:20, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Please see WP:COMMONNAME for use on en.Wiki. And ประเทศไทย. Thanks. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 04:28, 30 June 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 29 August 2018

1.179.240.170 (talk) 05:16, 29 August 2018 (UTC)
 Not done It's unclear what change is requested. power~enwiki (π, ν) 05:19, 29 August 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 6 January 2019

อาร์ดี กระเป๋า (talk) 00:20, 6 January 2019 (UTC)
 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. DannyS712 (talk) 00:31, 6 January 2019 (UTC)

How about more on current politics

There is a lot going on in Thailand politics right now, and we dont hear much about it, unfortunately. Lets get to work.Jambo321 (talk) 10:37, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 5 April 2019

[of all the military coups in Thailan] (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Military_coups_in_Thailand)

Pages in category "Military coups in Thailand" The following 19 pages are in this category, out of 19 total. This list may not reflect recent changes (learn more).

0–9 1947 Coup Group (Thailand) 1991 Thai coup d'état 2006 Thai coup d'état 2006 Thai interim civilian government 2014 Thai coup d'état

A Army General Staff plot

B Boworadet rebellion

M Manhattan Rebellion

O October 1977 Thai coup d'état

P Palace Rebellion Palace Revolt of 1912

S Siamese coup d'état of 1933 Siamese coup d'état of 1947 Siamese revolution of 1688 Siamese revolution of 1932 Silent Coup (Thailand) Songsuradet rebellion

T Economic consequences of the 2006 Thai coup d'état Template:Thai coups Robyscar (talk) 05:25, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

What changes do you feel should be made to this article? CMD (talk) 05:41, 5 April 2019 (UTC)

Merger proposal

Talk:Siam contains the matter of the article/redirect Siam. So, no merge needed. Matthew hk on public computer (talk) 13:46, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

I propose to merge Talk:Siam into Talk:Thailand/Archive 3. Because Siam is only a redirect page for Thailand for a long time; Talk:Siam really has some content; Talk:Thailand/Archive 3 is the newest archive page for Talk:Thailand, I think it is a good idea to complete this page merger.
123.150.182.180
06:07, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Discuss change

@Tobby72: I'm a user from Thai Wikipedia, so I know what I'm doing. If you have any questions, please feel free to ask. --Horus (talk) 03:13, 7 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi Horus, can we please talk about why this sourced material was removed? – diff, diff, diff. Wikipedia editors should not remove material solely because it may be offensive or unpleasant for some readers. -- Tobby72 (talk) 07:37, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Please, I removed them not because I found it offensive:
The Domestic human rights topic could be merged with Law enforcement topic, which is not created yet.
As per 2014 coup, I found it not relevant to say the junta to talk about "National Harmony". What about "returning happiness to the people", "twelve values", "พลังประชารัฐ"?
As per Yingluck pic, I see no use other than to show the she was the deposed leader. If she is the leader of the gov-in-exile, that would be more suitable.
Hopefully, this explained. --Horus (talk) 08:43, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
And for the "remove sourced material" claim, why would all material be included in the this article? You got to summarized it here and put these elsewhere, such as History of Thailand or Politics of Thailand. --Horus (talk) 08:44, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Hi Horus, I agree with you that this page is ridiculously over-detailed and suffers from heavy WP:RECENTISM. You are also correct that info should be elsewhere, however, I note that you have not moved removed info elsewhere. Furthermore, the changes being made do not seem to be preserving the existing sourcing. For example, in your most recent edits, you removed one reference completely, took a reference from elsewhere and placed it behind text that was previously with the removed reference, and left a lot of text unreferenced. Furthermore, the moved reference is one whose text you deleted in a previous edit. Lastly, and this is not a criticism but a suggestion, you are adding sources which is useful, but not indicating the extent of what they cover. If adding to an unsourced chunk of text, it help to put a citation needed tag before referenced text. CMD (talk) 10:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Already added ref. I know it's based on one source, but Wyatt is the most reputable foreign book discussing history of Thailand. Please feel free to point out where ref are still needed. --Horus (talk) 15:37, 7 April 2019 (UTC)
Refs are needed in very many places. One source is not an issue by itself, but from what you included it is impossible to understand what is sourced and what isn't. Take the first paragraph under Early States, which after your edits looks like:

After the decline of the Khmer Empire and [[Pagan Kingdom|Kingdom of Pagan]] in the early 13th century, various states thrived in their place. The domains of Tai people existed from the northeast of present-day India to the north of present-day Laos and to the [[Malay peninsula]].<ref name="wyatt"/>{{rp|38–9}} During the 13th century, Tai people have already settled in the core land of [[Dvaravati]] and [[Lavo Kingdom]] to [[Nakhon Si Thammarat Kingdom|Nakhon Si Thammarat]] in the south. There are, however, no records detailing the arrival of the Tais.<ref name="wyatt"/>{{rp|50–1}} Around 1240s, [[Si Inthrathit|Pho Khun Bang Klang Hao]], a local Tai ruler, rallied the people to rebel against the Khmer. He later crowned himself the first king of [[Sukhothai Kingdom]] in 1238.<ref name="wyatt"/>{{rp|52–3}} Mainstream Thai historians count Sukhothai as the first kingdom of Thai people. Sukhothai expanded furthest during the reign of [[Ram Khamhaeng]] (1279–98). However, it was mostly a network of local lords who swore fealty to Sukhothai, not directly controlled by it.<ref name="wyatt"/>{{rp|55–6}} He is believed to invent [[Thai script]] and Thai ceramics was an important export goods in his era. Sukhothai embraced [[Theravada]] [[Buddhism]] in the reign of [[Maha Thammaracha I]] (1347–68).

You have added the references to some places, but not others, without changing the existing text. Does each source reflect only one sentence? If so, are sentences like "Mainstream Thai historians count Sukhothai as the first kingdom of Thai people" unsourced? There is nothing in the edit to suggest the answer, nor is there any information in the edit summary. This is a book, and so it is hard to confirm that it does actually match the text. This is not by itself an issue, but it is in light of the existing sourcing concerns I have raised, where you moved existing text between sources and left some text orphaned of sources without explanation. CMD (talk) 14:01, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Yeah, some are unsourced. You can safely be certain that the sources cover the immediate sentence before it. But I leave the text as it is to keep the flow of the paragraph going. You can put ref needed tag up so I can look for source or just delete it. --Horus (talk) 14:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
No, as I do not have access to the source, I cannot see what is covered. This is an issue. I again mention these edits, where you moved reference <ref name=":0" /> from a number of proceeding sentences which had information that could be found in that source, and left that information totally unsourced. CMD (talk) 16:06, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
The "The referendum and adoption of Thailand's current constitution happened under the junta's rule. In 2016 Bhumibol, the longest reigning Thai king, died, and his son Vajiralongkorn ascended the throne. In 2019, the junta agreed to schedule a general election in March. However, it was still undecided amid allegation of election fraud." is not in the source to begin with. And I just move the text so it is in chronological order. Again if you need to put up ref need tag(s), please feel free. --Horus (talk) 16:15, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Within the NYT source are the statements "National elections are scheduled for March 24, after repeated delays by Thailand’s junta" and "King Bhumibol Adulyadej, was the world’s longest-reigning monarch until his death in 2016" which support some of the mentioned text. However, your change means none of it is linked to the source.
Again, I have not read your source, so I cannot tell what you are sourcing and what you have left unsourced. I also note that the citations link to google drives. This is probably inappropriate. CMD (talk) 16:54, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
I bring back the ref, though I see no need to add reference for these well-known, undisputed events. As per “google drive” thing, the other possible link would be this. Would you prefer it or no link at all? Horus (talk) 18:08, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Your edits bringing back the ref is still an issue because it still doesn't distinguish what is sourced. For example, "The referendum and adoption of Thailand's current constitution happened under the junta's rule" is not distinguished from the source text. In this case, I can see that, as I can read the source, but this is the issue that for the book source I cannot. That link also seems to be an unauthorised reproduction of copyrighted text, so it would not be a good link either. CMD (talk) 23:39, 8 April 2019 (UTC)
Well, you can adjust the text yourself. I see no use of arguing with these “here and there” suggestions. At least show me what you would do. Horus (talk) 17:50, 9 April 2019 (UTC)
Okay, I have done so as an example here, where it uses digital sources I can access. CMD (talk) 23:51, 9 April 2019 (UTC)

For Government, it would be recommended to do the following:

  • Thaigov.go.th – Government of Thailand = OK
  • Mfa.go.th – Ministry of Foreign Affairs = NOT OK (Update link to Ministry of Foreign Affairs to the English version as this is the English Wikipedia: http://www.mfa.go.th/main/en)
  • Thailand Internet information – National Electronics and Computer Technology Center = NOT OK (This is not an institute or department of the Royal Thai Government, it is better to put a link to the website of the Ministry of Digital Economy and Society where the Ministry of information and Communication Technology is a part of, please us this link http://www.mdes.go.th)

For General Information, it would be recommended to add the following LINKS:

For Travel, it would be recommended to add the following LINKS:

For Other, it would be recommended to add the following LINKS: only newspaper in ENGLISH (as this is an English Wikipedia page) and covering ALL regions in Thailand instead of only certain cities/areas

--Hansje2523 (talk) 16:47, 12 May 2019 (UTC)

"Thai Empire" listed at Redirects for discussion

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect Thai Empire. Please participate in the redirect discussion if you wish to do so.  — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs)  23:41, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 November 2019

The article incorrectly states that Thailand is the 21st most populous country. The United Nations (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_population_(United_Nations)) says that it is No. 20, and the article that the author cites (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_population) states that it is the 22nd. Thank you. 2600:1700:A660:9800:69FB:8DEE:7DDC:AF22 (talk) 21:57, 1 November 2019 (UTC)

 Done indicated 22nd, use of officially published statistics better than projected figures.--Goldsztajn (talk) 12:01, 6 November 2019 (UTC)

Regarding ethnic groups

Infobox lists Laotians as one of the largest groups in the country, but shouldn't they be referred to as "Isan" as that group identify themselves? They are treated as such in related articles. ChrisTakey (talk) 21:09, 13 November 2019 (UTC)

Ethnically and linguistically (and historically & culturally), they are Lao. The label "Isan", meaning "northeast", is a result of Thaification policies of the Thai government meant to disconnect the people from their Lao heritage and force a Thai identity on them, with the implication that they are simply Northeastern Thai people instead of Southwestern Lao people.--William Thweatt TalkContribs 02:17, 14 November 2019 (UTC)
@WilliamThweatt: Ah, I see. No changes necessary then as we wouldn't want to push an agenda; I am not familiar with the region so I thought they might be a separate but closely related group. Thank you. ChrisTakey (talk) 17:19, 15 November 2019 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 13 February 2020


I request you add this citation[2] under Armed Forces: Royal Thai Armed Forces Day is celebrated on 18 January, commemorating the victory of Naresuan of the Ayutthaya Kingdom in battle against the crown prince of the Toungoo dynasty in 1593.[citation needed] AngieWP (talk) 17:05, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ Thailand: Military celebrates royal thai armed forces day. (2014, Jan 21). Asia News Monitor Retrieved from http://proxylib.csueastbay.edu/login?url=https://search-proquest-com.proxylib.csueastbay.edu/docview/1490530514?accountid=28458
  2. ^ "Royal Thai Armed Forces Day commemorates King Naresuan the Great". Pattaya Mail. NNT. 20 January 2020.
 Done Goldsztajn (talk) 17:21, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Lead section

@IWeeBoo: The old lead section format was from various quality articles such as US and Germany. I'm pretty sure they aren't considered too long. --Horus (talk) 17:06, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

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Virus

Covid-19 Outbreak in Thailand Plase Stay Home TonkarLike (talk) 06:57, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

Ayutthaya pic

@Judge761: I selected a Western painting because I believe Ayutthaya was better known in the world for its Western contact, rather than one elephant battle. And if you believe what you said, shouldn't the pics for Sukhothai be replaced with Ram Khamhaeng Inscription? --Horus (talk) 12:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)

@Horus:Why should replace it ? when we can put more images on the same topic. And the image has been like this for almost 2 years ,the content on the topic is still large enough to add more images as well. Take a look at an example of image placement from Netherlands wikipedia page on "Burgundian, Habsburg and Spanish Habsburg Netherlands (1384–1581)" History content--Judge761 (talk) 15:46, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Have you looked at the length of that section compared to this? And I used the same logic you proposing. Western contact is better known for the kingdom than the elephant battle. What is your response? --Horus (talk) 08:53, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
@Horus: And elephant battle has been well-known among Europeans, especially French or Portuguese since the Ayutthaya period 1601. Take a look at an example on France–Thailand relations or Pastor's record book of Father Nicholas Pimonta which was published in 1601, Portuguese record book of Mr. A. Macgregor “A Brief Account of the Kingdom of Pegu” confirmed clearly that the Elephabt Battle between King Naresuan and Phra Maha Uparacha happened, or "The Story History of the King of Siam" by Dr.Leonard Andaya.--Judge761 (talk) 16:11, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
The question is was it better known or not? --Horus (talk) 09:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
@Horus: If you look at it in other wikipedia page countries, the image that comes in the topic is not necessarily a better known image, You can add 3-4 images to the same content. Take a look at the Wikipedia on Historycontent. let see > Netherlands,France,Spain,Italy.--Judge761 (talk) 16:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
"The Story History of the King of Siam" by Dr.Leonard Andaya Translated from the Holland original manuscript of "Jeremias van Vliet(1602-1663).https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeremias_van_Vliet or https://th.wikipedia.org/wiki/เยเรเมียส_ฟาน_ฟลีต This van Fan's work was written in the year 1639 while being the company's chief trade officer. Istanbul, India of Holland in Ayudhya is a story about the wealthy Ayutthaya. But King Uthong The image of Phra Naresuan is smaller than the elephant of Phra Maha Uparacha > http://www.siamese-heritage.org/jsspdf/1904/JSS_007_1b_Ravenswaay_VanVlietsDescriptionOfTheKingdomOfSiam-2.pdf or https://www.amazon.com/Van-Vliets-Siam-Baker-Etal/dp/9749575814 or https://doi.org/10.1017/S0041977X00051545 Published online by Cambridge University Press: 24 December 2009. or see on Naresuan wikipedia page : The Burmese chronicles, Jeremias van Vliet's account of Siam in early 1630s includes interviews with Siamese subjects who were contemporaries of King Naresuan and who insisted that the elephant combat, which resulted in the death of the Burmese crown prince at the hands of Naresuan (whom the Siamese called "the black prince"), did indeed happen. According to Van Vliet's Description of the Siamese Kingdom:

[W]hen the Pegu prince and the young Siamese prince (both seated on elephants and dressed in royal garb) lost all self control, left both armies and attacked each other furiously. The Siamese prince ran his adversary with his lance through the body and took the other's elephant.

— Jeremian van Vliet's Description of the Kingdom of Siam (translated from Old Dutch by L. F. van Ravenswaay, 1910)[1]
--Judge761 (talk) 16:24, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, well this is going nowhere. So I will back off as a grown-up and let others decide. --Horus (talk) 09:59, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ van Vliet, Jeremias (1634). Description of the Kingdom of Siam (PDF). Translated by L. F. van Ravenswaay. p. 32.

History pics

Hello, recently there is a conflict regarding which images best represent Thailand in each era, particularly Ayutthaya era. I would like to gather third opinions to fend off any future disagreements. Thank you. --Horus (talk) 09:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

With respect, I think why must be limited to just one better image, when we are able to put both images together on the same content(Ayutthaya Kingdom) The placement of both images on the same content does not have a negative effect, and has been like this for almost two years If looking at past edits, you didn't replace the image. Because you have deleted 2 images which you don't like And replace it with just one image. The reason for adding that images to that topic. Personally, I think it is not necessary to use a better known image in the world, Because the picture that shows important events in the past that have influenced the ancient kingdom is sufficient, In which we can put images that was better known in the world or another image that was less known in the world for both image can be in the same content. Moreover, I think that Thai and elephant is probably well known in the world for its culture of Thai people for a long time in the past, And the Battle elephant of the Great Naresuan (Burmese–Siamese War (1584–1593)) is a very important event in Ayutthaya Kingdom history as well. There are many elephant battle event in the history of Thailand, for example Burmese–Siamese War (1563–64) - War elephants depicted from a later Siam–Burma war. White war elephants such as these were the purported casus belli for the 1563-64 war, Burmese–Siamese War (1547–1549) - Queen Suriyothai on her elephant putting herself between King Maha Chakkraphat and the Thado Dhamma Yaza I of Prome. It was normal for the war of Ayutthaya Kingdom. Every war will always have elephants. The King ride elephant for war but battle elephant event of King Naresuan is the most influential and famous in Ayutthaya history same as The Four Days' Battle, 1–4 June 1666 (Second Anglo–Dutch War) of Netherlands history, The images drawing of the events are also placed in the History content of Netherlands wikipedia page too, like here:
  • Elephants: The Symbol of Thailand : Elephants abound in Thai art and popular culture. You’ll find them in carvings, paintings, textiles, stories—even on bottles of the beloved local beer, Chang. The national symbol of Thailand, elephants are admired for their strength, endurance and intelligence. They have long had a role in Thai society; elephants were used in warfare centuries ago, and they also hauled logs and farm produce. A white elephant was even on Thailand’s national flag from 1855 to 1916, and on the King’s personal flag before then. White-elephant flags still fly on Thai Navy ships. A white elephant symbolizes the King. Rare and considered sacred, white elephants (which are a pinkish-grey, actually) were given to the King, whose status was determined by how many white elephants he owned. It all started when the mother of Gautama Buddha, the Hindu prince and founder of Buddhism, dreamed of a white elephant holding a lotus flower in its trunk the night before his birth in India. The connection between Thai kings and elephants has made it into global culture in the form of the term “white elephant.” If a king was angry with a courtier, he gave him a white elephant as a gift. Since the animals were forbidden to work, couldn’t be given away, and their maintenance was expensive, the man would be ruined. The phrase became a synonym for something useless. --Judge761 (talk) 20:05, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
In my opinion, candidates are: Yodia painting, Siamese envoy to Louis XIV's court, Siamese revolution of 1688. As for the reason why there is a necessity to use 3 images, I raised the issue of article layout (before Judge761 expanded the section by copying from Ayutthaya article). As for "you have deleted 2 images which you don't like And replace it with just one image," just don't place our own prejudice onto others. I already stated my reason, which you refused to acknowledge. --Horus (talk) 07:18, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 June 2020

to amend the unequal treaies. -> treaties 178.82.160.75 (talk) 12:50, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Done, thanks! CMD (talk) 12:56, 3 June 2020 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 17 July 2020

Under sporting venues, there is the following description: The well-known Lumpinee Boxing Stadium will host its final Muay Thai boxing matches on 7 February 2014 after the venue first opened in December 1956.

Can we please edit this so that it reads as follows: The well-known Lumpinee Boxing Stadium originally sited at Rama IV Road near Lumphini Park hosted its final Muay Thai boxing matches on 8 February 2014 after the venue first opened in December 1956. Tinashechirongoma (talk) 18:23, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

I have done this as it is mostly a tense change. In future, it would be useful if a source can be provided along with updated text. CMD (talk) 19:00, 17 July 2020 (UTC)

The article does not inform about what language business administration (like bookeeping) is performed in and what languages are performed in legal courts. It is interesting for a reader to know.

--Zzalpha (talk) 00:04, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

I believe Official languages already stated it. Language of business does not seem to be included in country article; I only see them in some international organization articles. --Horus (talk) 07:03, 7 August 2020 (UTC)

Recategorizing Thailand as an Absolute Monarchy

I am opening a discussion to recategorize Thailand as an absolute monarchy. The basic problem is that no matter how Thailand describes itself, Wikipedia has to accurately describe it. The Cabinet has sworn fealty to the monarchy but not to uphold the Constitution, there is now no difference between Crown Property and personal property, and the King dirctly controls key components of the Army. Moreover, as it personalized CPB land, the Crown has taken back from the people public proprty, e.g., the parliament, Dusit Zoo, etc. Acadamics such as McCargo[1] strongly suggest the country is now an absolute monarchy. Other modern absolute monarchies have constitutions, e.g., Brunei. If necessary, we could distinguish between (self-described = constitutional monarchy) and (actual = absolute monarchy). Johncdraper (talk) 10:28, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

We would be able to do that if a preponderance of secondary sources start describing it as an absolute monarchy. I don't see that description in the source cited, can you provide a quote? CMD (talk) 11:16, 24 August 2020 (UTC)
You can always describe in length in the article, without facing unnecessary challenge. --Horus (talk) 11:43, 24 August 2020 (UTC)

References

  1. ^ McCargo, Duncan (2019). "Southeast Asia's Troubling Elections: Democratic Demolition in Thailand". Journal of Democracy. 30 (4): 119–133. doi:10.1353/jod.2019.0056. ISSN 1086-3214.

Thailand as a Middle Power (25.11.2016)

There is a new book on the market that has a big chapter on Thailand as a middle power in Asia and its relations to the United States and China since the end of the Cold War. I would like to add some details from the book chapter to the Wiki article, but editing is prohibited. Can anyone please include at least the bibliographical info on the book?

Fels, Enrico (2017): Shifting Power in Asia-Pacific? The Rise of China, Sino-US Competition and Regional Middle Power Allegiance. Springer: Cham, pp. 637-695. (http://www.springer.com/us/book/9783319456881) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2003:70:ee6d:b61e:d9a:7304:7804:85ab (talk) 11:43, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Should the cave rescue be added?

The Thai cave rescue is the big story at the moment, and we're all worried and invested in seeing the boys come out safely, but I really don't think it belongs in the history part of this page - and certainly not as a separate subsection.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Harsimaja (talk • contribs) 13:01, 9 July 2018 (UTC)

Population

According to the source http://www.ratchakitcha.soc.go.th/DATA/PDF/2563/E/024/T_0017.PDF present on the page, the correct translation of the estimated population in 2019 written in the source in thai numbers is 65,618,159, and 66,558,495 including non Thai nationals living in Thailand. The number appearing now in the Template:Infobox country 69,758,935 is totally wrong according to this source. Carlo58s (talk) 00:42, 2 October 2020 (UTC)

This was messed up in an unsourced edit, which I have reverted. I don't see your number in that document, though. --Paul_012 (talk) 10:53, 2 October 2020 (UTC)
Sorry, my mistake, you're right. The numbers are 65,614,157 Thai and 66,558,935 Thai + expats. Thank you for having reverted. --Carlo58s (talk) 01:18, 3 October 2020 (UTC)


Possible typing mistake

This is very minor but I noticed that one sentence near the very start of the article reads "Throughout era of Western imperialism in Asia," and I'm fairly certain it should be "the era" or "an era" or something like that. I might be wrong and this can be ignored but I thought I should bring it to the attention of someone who can edit the article. 2601:246:C180:CDF0:7889:E1D6:B86E:509B (talk) 07:03, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

A grammatical mistake. Thanks for pointing out. --Horus (talk) 13:15, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

asia

thailand is in the continent f asia and it shares its borders with a lot of other countries— Preceding unsigned comment added by 175.45.116.56 (talk) 09:20, 25 April 2018 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 9 March 2021

New data of Thailand GDP are available.

https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/THA/thailand/gdp-gross-domestic-product

https://www.cia.gov/the-world-factbook/countries/thailand/#economy Nutthong001 (talk) 23:47, 9 March 2021 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Please tell exactly what data needs to be updated. Thanks, RandomCanadian (talk / contribs) 02:52, 10 March 2021 (UTC)

[1] "The Language Rights of the Malay Minority in Thailand" by Fontong Raine Boonlong https://brill.com/view/journals/aphu/8/1/article-p47_3.xml?language=en


References

  1. ^ The Malay people in Thailand are only three percent of the population yet they are eighty percent of the Thai-Muslims in the country. They contribute a huge amount to the religious culture of Thailand and have an important story to tell. In the Wikipedia page their should be more information about the Malay and the discrimination they face for being Muslim in a predominantly Buddhist country. The speaking rights of Malay people is another topic that should be on the page as they are disadvantaged by not speaking the majority language which hurts their chances at jobs, education and more. While making up a small quantity of the population they have a significant impact on their culture as a country.

Mistake?

" In 1940, there was a decree changing the name of the country from "Siam" to "Thailand". " (paragraph Constitutional monarchy, World War II and Cold War)

According to the paragraph "Etymology of Siam" (The signature of King Mongkut (r. 1851–1868) reads SPPM (Somdet Phra Poramenthra Maha) Mongkut Rex Siamensium (Mongkut King of the Siamese), giving the name Siam official status until 24 June 1939 when it was changed to "Thailand".[17] Thailand was renamed Siam from 1946 to 1948, after which it again reverted to "Thailand"), the date is 24 June 1939, not 1940.

See as well for instance:

--Sherwood6 (talk) 08:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

1940 is likely a mistake. The sentence was introduced by Horus in this edit. Pinging to make sure. --Paul_012 (talk) 11:06, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
 Done Thanks for pointing out. --Horus (talk) 11:18, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

My recommendation for expanding slightly on the Religions section.

Hi all, hope you're all well and good.

I just had some additions to the Religions section of the main Thailand article. Last week, I and a couple of my friends were studying about World Religions, and we were researching which Religions do key countries of the World officially recognise. As a result, since Thailand is the World's 2nd Largest Buddhist country, we all wanted to know which Religions other than Buddhism does the World's 2nd Largest Buddhist country recognises, however we couldn't find anything relating to which faiths does the government recognise officially. We looked up quite a few other websites as well, however we couldn't find any info about it. Finally, when we almost gave up after researching for minutes, we finally stumbled upon the US Department of State website which explained that the Thai law officially recgonises 5 religions: Christianity, Islam, Hinduism, Buddhism and Sikhism. You can have a read here: https://www.state.gov/reports/2018-report-on-international-religious-freedom/thailand/

It wasn't just us, but I also have seen some other of my Thai mates themselves some months ago researching for the religions their country officially recognises as well. Hence, I believe it will be helpful and useful if we can add the phrase "The Thai law officially recognises 5 Religious groups: Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists and Sikhs (the 5 Largest Religions of the World)." to the Religions section of the Thailand article. Since Wikipedia is a free encyclopaedia providing quality information and knowledge, I believe that adding this sentence to the main Thailand Wikipedia article's Religion section would be very helpful for anyone researching about World's Religions as Thailand is the World's second largest Buddhist country.

I look forward to seeing it on the Thailand page, and thank you very much for reading and understanding my request! Have a nice day.— Preceding unsigned comment added by Achyut Chaudhary (talk • contribs) 19:03, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 Done --Horus (talk) 00:22, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 4 August 2021

110.145.255.14 (talk) 00:21, 4 August 2021 (UTC)


in handball there are a referees

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 01:01, 4 August 2021 (UTC)

word spelt wrong

Thailand has periodically alternated between democracy and military rule. Since the 2000s, it has been caught in a series of bitter political conflict between supporters and opponents of Thaksin Shinawatra, which culminated in two coups, most recently in 2014 and the establishment of its current and 20th constitution and faces the ongoing pro-democracry protests.

democracry??? what is that21:48, 17 August 2021 (UTC)Mordhau (talk)

 Done --Horus (talk) 09:53, 18 August 2021 (UTC)

Possible vandalism on government infobox?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:MobileDiff/1044459801&type=revision
([[de jure]])<br />under an [[authoritarianism|authoritarian]] [[military dictatorship]] ([[de facto]]) -Edit by ES Geqias

Authoritarian military dictatorship?! That gives impression that Thailand is in a Pinochet-like regime. The edit gives no summary and reference so it’s likely to be conflicting with Wikipedia:Neutral point of view. The current government is elected. Is the election democratic is the matter of politics. So I thinks it’s likely to be a vandalism and I think it should be removed. Thitut (talk) 15:14, 7 November 2021 (UTC)

I wouldn't call it vandalism, but it's indeed inappropriate. Reverted. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:11, 8 November 2021 (UTC)

Changing government of Thailand from Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy to Absolute monarchy

On 10th November 2021, the Constitutional Court of the Kingdom of Thailand (ศาลรัฐธรรมนูญแห่งราชอาณาจักรไทย) has ruled decision 19/2564. The court has been broadcasting in YouTube from this link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=txE5EpAEb5c . On the 44:20 marked, the judge clearly said "เห็นได้ว่า ประวัติศาสตร์การปกครองของไทย อำนาจการปกครองเป็นของพระมหากษัตริย์มาโดยตลอด นับตั้งแต่ยุคสุโขทัย อยุธยา ตลอดจนกรุงรัตนโกสินทร์ " which can unofficially translate to "It can be seen that the history of Thai government, The ruling power has always belonged to the King. since the Sukhothai period, Ayutthaya to the Rattanakosin period".

As such, we need to updated the information box from Government - Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy to Unitary parliamentary constitutional monarchy (De jure) Absolute monarchy (De facto) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Gandtha (talk • contribs) 13:47, 10 November 2021 (UTC)

The King is of course the head of state, but that doesn't mean he is an autocrat. Wikipedia is based on reliable sources, which say Thailand is officially a constitutional monarchy. Unofficially, the King has increasingly played more of a role in the government since the 2014 coup, but only at the behest of the military who are ultimately in charge and are leaning on him for legitimacy. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:53, 23 March 2022 (UTC)

"Democracy under a military dictatorship"

The term used in the infobox "Democracy under a military dictatorship" is so strange I have not heard of it before. Does it have the same meaning as guided democracy, illiberal democracy, hybrid regime or what? The term does not sound like a political science technical term at all. --Horus (talk) 03:22, 23 April 2022 (UTC)

The constitutional framework is a constitutional monarchy, and the system in practice is a military dictatorship, as provided by the sources. So, there are two different systems being provided, the de jure and the de facto, rather than a single political science term. It is a type of hybrid regime, but the constitutional framework needs to be specified in the infobox. The terms you have listed are a bit too abstract to state as a stand-alone political system in the infobox. ― Tartan357 Talk 04:26, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
How about one term being constitutional monarchy and another being hybrid regime or the like? --Horus (talk) 15:32, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
A hybrid regime isn't a form of government in and of itself (it doesn't tell us where power is vested). Rather, it's an overall description of the degree of democracy. The sources say the structure in practice is a military dictatorship. I fully support linking to hybrid regime in the body as you did, but it doesn't belong in the infobox description, which is only for the structure of the government. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:15, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
Which sources support the claim that the system in practice is a military dictatorship? From my reading, while they make the point that there's continued military influence and autocratic tendencies, I don't see anything that supports calling the government a "military dictatorship" after the 2019 election. And even if they were to be interpreted so, insisting only on this interpretation of certain sources when major ones like the World Factbook continue to refer to the form of government as a constitutional monarchy would be cherry picking. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:21, 25 April 2022 (UTC)
All three of them support that. The Diplomat calls it a "constitutional dictatorship" and elaborates:

The military-backed government clearly stole the election in 2019, aided by their 2017 constitution, the country’s 20th. Through gerrymandering, malapportionment of the vote, a rigged party list system, the systematic disqualification of opposition politicians and the banning of their parties, the targeted application of vaguely written security laws, and a completely appointed senate that was allowed to vote for the prime minister, the military ensured its “parliamentary dictatorship.”

The paper in the Journal of Contemporary Asia says the same:

In May of 2019, the Electoral Commission of Thailand (ECT) finalised the distribution of parliamentary seats, and thus the likely results of the April election, doing so in the way the military dictatorship in power since 2014 had wanted: the military’s party, Palang Pracharath, could form a coalition with numerous smaller – and over-represented – parties to control the House (the lower chamber), meaning that the military coup regime could effectively remain in power, while purporting to have a “democratic” mandate.

The World Factbook is not an independent source; it reflects the official positions of the U.S. State Department. But even it states:

A long-delayed election in March 2019, disputed and widely viewed as skewed in favor of the party aligned with the military, allowed PRAYUT to continue his premiership. The country experienced large-scale pro-democracy protests in 2020.

The military appoints every single member of the Senate, which then votes on the prime minister along with the elected House. I don't see how that could be considered a democratic structure; it all but ensures the military's choice for PM will always be chosen. ― Tartan357 Talk 05:18, 26 April 2022 (UTC)
Myanmar before the 2021 coup was described as Unitary assembly-independent constitutional republic ([3]), even though its military's influence is greater and Thai's. I mean the term military dictatorship is too strong, and there must be other terms that fit better. --Horus (talk) 03:20, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
Myanmar had an anti-military government under Aung San Suu Kyi. Thailand has a government of the 2014 coup leaders. Why is it too strong when the sources call it that and point out the Senate gives the military perpetual control of the government? ― Tartan357 Talk 03:51, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
So basically if Myanmar had a pro-military government in power before 2021 it would be a military dictatorship as well? As for the unelected Senate, does this also make the UK an aristocracy? I mean you have to find the existing political terms for it, not parroting what the sources say: “parliamentary dictatorship.”, "military coup regime", or "party aligned with the military." These can always be discussed in the article body. --Horus (talk) 04:05, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I would say that if they had a pro-military government AND reliable sources called it a military dictatorship, then we would follow that. What you are suggesting is WP:OR. "Parroting what the sources say" is the core content policy of Wikipedia, Wikipedia:Verifiability. The unelected Senate in Thailand gets to choose the executive branch; the comparison to the UK is ridiculous, frankly. And some royal influence in the government is a standard feature of a constitutional monarchy. Direct military control of the legislative branch is not, and I find it baffling that anyone would think the military appointing your senator is "democracy". I've said all I want to say on the matter though; if others don't agree, that's fine. ― Tartan357 Talk 05:37, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
I find it far fetch that military influence in politics is concluded as military dictatorship (which none of your given sources directly said so). To use that term is WP:EXTRAORDINARY as it is "[Claim] contradicted by the prevailing view within the relevant community or that would significantly alter mainstream assumptions..." I am sure that there are many words more fit for describing “parliamentary dictatorship,” "military coup regime," or "party aligned with the military." But if you still want me to do some work, shall I find four or more sources that contradict with yours then? --Horus (talk) 07:57, 27 April 2022 (UTC)
"Semi-democracy"/"hybird" [4], [5]
"semi-civilian"/"semi-elected" [6]
"managed democracy" [7]
"guided democracy" [8]
"quasi democracy" [9], [10], [11] --Horus (talk) 08:25, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

Whole-heartedly agree with Horus here. While it's basically fact that Thailand is at best functioning as a flawed democracy, this is something that can only be discussed in the text, while the label to be filled in the infobox must be something that the majority of sources consistently use. "Military dictatorship" is not it, and is not even directly claimed, as a term, in any of Tartan357's examples. Insisting on "Military dictatorship" would be a WP:SYNTH violation. --Paul_012 (talk) 23:48, 27 April 2022 (UTC)

I support the current outcome of the infobox. My sources did use the term (the JCA has it in the title and the Diplomat says "the military ensured its dictatorship", but I agree that the dominant representation in sources is of something in between. As long as that is reflected, I'm satisfied we've fulfilled NPOV. ― Tartan357 Talk 21:45, 30 April 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 June 2022

Add Jews to religious pop 2tacosupreme (talk) 14:51, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. ScottishFinnishRadish (talk) 14:58, 1 June 2022 (UTC)

Change prime minister

Currently, Prayut has been evicted from position and Prawit Wongsuwan becomes acting prime minister Gandtha (talk) 08:20, 24 August 2022 (UTC)

The 63rd citation in the climate subsection returns a dead link, I believe the URL below was the intended article: https://www.climatecentral.org/report/report-flooded-future-global-vulnerability-to-sea-level-rise-worse-than-previously-understood

I do not know how else to submit this sort of edit suggestion so I apologise in advance if this is the incorrect place. NotPyrogenic (talk) 12:55, 4 September 2022 (UTC)

Done. Thanks for reporting this. --Paul_012 (talk) 08:33, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Additional citations

@Benohight214: I don't believe the entire article should be tagged with additional citations since most content has reference already. Maybe you should move to a particular section that is problematic or better yet, tag {{citation needed}} after sentences instead. Horus (talk) 17:40, 22 October 2022 (UTC)

Yes. I see. additional citations tagged I'll consider it. {{citation needed}} --Benohight214 (talk) 09:24, 23 October 2022 (UTC)

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Change GDP (nominal) 2022 estimate • Total 

$534.758 billion (28rd)

to

GDP (nominal) 2022 estimate • Total 

$534.758 billion (28th) 71.211.239.173 (talk) 21:24, 13 November 2022 (UTC)
 Done PlanetJuice (talk • contribs) 22:25, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Official capital name is not Bangkok anymore

The capital use to go by Krung Thep Maha Nakhon; Bangkok right now is Krung Thep Maha Nakhon(Bangkok). Thai people've been called the city Krung Thep Maha Nakhon or Khung Thep for 50 years please acknowledge and spread the right things, millions of people use this page as a resource to learn about Thailand, hope you not ignore to make Thai people feel respect, heard and seen 🙏 27.55.80.6 (talk) 06:35, 1 January 2023 (UTC)

That is not an accurate claim, and anyway it's irrelevant to Wikipedia, which follows common usage in English-language reliable sources. --Paul_012 (talk) 13:48, 3 January 2023 (UTC)

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"타이" listed at Redirects for discussion

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ethnic groups of Thailand

85% Thai –39% Central Thai –28% Isan –9% Khon Muang –9% Southern Thai 10% Chinese 3% Khmer 2% Malay

In total it adds up to 100% but there are more ethnic groups than Thai, Chinese, Khmer, Malay. There's also the Karen people who are like 1~2% of the population and they live in Western Thailand. please change this part to:

82% Thai –38% Central Thai –27% Isan –9% Khon Muang –8% Southern Thai 10% Chinese 3% Khmer 2% Malay 2% Karen — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yimi shh (talk • contribs) 11:34, 13 June 2022 (UTC)

Karen is not Thai speaking people Pongstorn Paladej (talk) 14:45, 3 March 2023 (UTC)

@Yimi shh@ 2001:44C8:44F0:2A0F:54E0:5CFF:FE6B:91FD (talk) 14:56, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

I have never seen or heard of Western Thais being divided into a distinct ethnic group. Is there any evidence to support this breakdown in the population?

I also strongly recommend that "Thai Lao" is referred to as Khon Isan. This is how they are generally referred to, and refer to themselves - both by Thais and English speakers in Thailand. This also makes a clear distinction from the separate Laotian ethnicity (i.e., not "Thai Lao").

— Taliew (talk) 07:18, 15 July 2023 (UTC)

Personal wealth in Thailand

Figures that seem wrong when it comes to personal wealth in Thailand. It doesn't make sense that about half of the population in Thailand owns a fortune worth 1.4 million US dollars. This is simply not true. You must check your sources. רן שריר (talk) 00:41, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

1.4 million dollars or more. I quote:
Thais have median wealth per one adult person of $1,469 in 2016,[138]: 98  increasing from $605 in 2010.[138]: 34  In 2016, Thailand was ranked 87th in Human Development Index, and 70th in the inequality-adjusted HDI.[139] רן שריר (talk) 00:44, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
Could you please list the actual references, and not numbers which may change if the page is edited? –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 01:12, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
רן שריר, I'm not sure what figures you're referring to? $1,469 is 1.4 thousand dollars, not 1.4 million. --Paul_012 (talk) 01:53, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

Requesting help with [citation needed] and other similar tags.

Requesting for any volunteers who would like to help bring this article to GA-class by collaboratively searching for websites on the internet, and books at your nearest library, for sources. Kornkaobat (talk) 14:27, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 15 October 2023

Evidence has been found of continuous habitation in the territory of present-day Thailand since 20,000 BC. The Thai people began to migrate to this area in the 11th century and established various important regions including: Sukhothai Kingdom Lanna Kingdom and Ayutthaya Kingdom Historians often consider the Sukhothai Kingdom to be the beginning of Thai history. Later, the Ayutthaya Kingdom gradually became more powerful in the region by the end of the 14th century, replacing the Khmer Empire. The Ayutthaya Kingdom was able to annex Sukhothai as part of its own. Contact with the West began with the Portuguese ambassador in 1511. War with the Burmese led to the loss of the capital in 1569, but King Naresuan the Great He declared independence within 15 years. The kingdom prospered greatly during the reign of King Narai the Great. But after that, it gradually lost power due in part to the shifting of the land and the bloodshed of many reigns. Until finally, Ayutthaya was completely destroyed in 1767. King Thonburi He united the land that had broken into various factions and established the 15-year-old Thonburi Kingdom. Chaos towards the end of the empire led to his execution by King Buddha Yodfa Chulalok the Great. First Chakri Dynasty of Rattanakosin

Early Rattanakosin period The kingdom is able to deal with threats from neighboring nations. But after the reign of King Mongkut, Western nations began to have great influence in the region. This led to becoming a party to many unfair treaties starting with the Bowring Treaty. However, Siam was not colonized by any Western nation. Siam was modernized and centralized in the reign of King Chulalongkorn. Siam joined the Allies in World War I in 1917. In 1932, a revolution occurred that changed the government to a democracy with the King as Head of State without bloodshed. The People's Party plays a leading role in politics. And in the Buddhist decade of 1937, Prime Minister Field Marshal Plaek Pibulsongkram pursued a strong nationalist policy. During World War II Thailand joins the Axis powers But the majority of the Allies did not accept the declaration of war.[11] During the Cold War Thailand is an ally of the United States, which supports the military government. A coup headed by Field Marshal Sarit Thanarat in 1957 brought the country into an era of total military dictatorship. The government restored royal authority and implemented anti-communist policies in the region. The results of the October 14, 1973 incident led to a brief period of parliamentary democracy [12], but after the October 6 incident and the 1976 coup, Thailand returned to military dictatorship and "Half Democracy" Thailand had its first elected prime minister in 1988. [13] After the 1997 decade, there was a political crisis between those supporting and opposing former Prime Minister Thaksin. Shinawatra until now Including two coups. The most recent time occurred in 2014. The current constitution is the 20th edition, promulgated on April 6, 2017.

Thailand is a member of the United Nations, APEC, and a co-founder of ASEAN. Thailand has been an ally of the United States since the SETO Treaty in 1954. It is considered a leading power in Southeast Asia and a middle power on the world stage [14]:104 Thailand is a middle-high income country and a newly industrialized country. Its main income comes from the industrial and service industries. Economic changes led to immigration into cities in the 20th century. According to 2019 estimates, Thailand's GDP is approximately US$516,662 million. The Thai economy is considered the 2nd largest economy in Southeast Asia and the 25th largest in the world. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2001:44C8:41B0:3CBB:4866:B0B3:5DDA:EB90 (talk) 05:25, 15 October 2023 (UTC)

Language

I do not see English listed as a language but when I look at YouTube videos showing Thailand live, all the signs I see in Thailand in the videos are in English. Sam Tomato (talk) 17:48, 21 October 2023 (UTC)

Graph of religion

I am not an editor, but the graph of religion does not match the stats. 172.58.27.199 (talk) 14:21, 31 October 2023 (UTC)

Data citation conflict resolved. Thanks. Kornkaobat (talk) 12:58, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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