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The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that testaroli pasta (pictured) dates back to ancient history, originating from the Etruscan civilization of Italy?

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GA Review

Reviewer: Carbrera (talk · contribs) 01:33, 04 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am Carbrera, and I'll be reviewing this article for possible good article submission.

Full review coming very soon. Carbrera (talk) 01:33, 04 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Advance notice – Just so you know in advance, when creating and expanding this article, I "used up" most of the reliable source coverage about the topic that is available online. Some sources essentially report the same content in different manners. Additional websites are available, but do not constitute Wikipedia's definition of reliable sources. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 04:12, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox

First off, could an infobox be created and applied to this article? I mean, you could use the template found on pages like Linguine or Tagliatelle, and proceed to add the various information for the pasta there; I would strongly recommend doing this before I reevaluate the article; let me know what you think about this

Done. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:03, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Lead

In the last sentence, I would recommend doing the following: "...civilization of Italy. It is also a native..." → "...civilization of Italy; it is also a native..." If you disagree and prefer what is currently stated, I assume that that is also alright here

I prefer to keep the prose as separate sentences in this case. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:56, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Overview

Paragraph 1

I noticed that this first sentence is practically the exact same as the first sentence in the lead, minus the inclusion of "wheat". Do you want to perhaps change it up a bit so it's a little different?

Done. Changed it up a bit. Only so much can be done, though. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:54, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

What do you mean when you say "sometimes using a two-stage cooking process"? I kind of know what you're talking about, but perhaps you could further expand on what this particular process includes...

Rw to: "In the typical first stage, and sometimes only stage of cooking" North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:43, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I would prefer this wording: "A testo with hot coals can also be used to heat the pasta."

I think it's best left as-is. The testo is what is historically and traditionally used; as such, it is historically the primary cooking device used. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:52, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Considering the skillet sentence, I would combine it with the previous sentence for the same effect: "A testo with hot coals can be used to heat the pasta, while a skillet may be used to cook the pasta's batter."

I think it's better to keep them separate. The testo is what is traditionally used to cook it, but a skillet may also be used. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:39, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I get what the "two-stage cooking process" is now, but you should reword it to "In the second cooking stage"...

Done. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:09, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Paragraph 2

Can you lead the sentence by using "Testaroli" instead of "It"?

Done. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:05, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

For the last sentence, you could easily merge that sentence and the one before it into one with a semicolon, no?

I think I prefer it as-is in this instance, at least per how the article is worded at this time. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 21:08, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Paragraph 3

You could add this solo sentence to the paragraph before it so it doesn't look so out of place

Done. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 20:04, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

History

I know this isn't necessary, but this section is extremely short. I would recommend at least adding other pasta types from the same region, considering this section's length. What do you think of this? I know you said you exhausted your sources, but this article is quite small for GA.

I disagree with adding content about other pastas, because someone may very well come along and remove it all, using a rationale that it is not related to the topic. However, I have added a link to another likely ancient pasta in the See also section. I say "likely" because the source used in the link target article is not particularly reliable. Regarding section expansion, I have searched a great deal, but unfortunately there is just not much information about the history of testaroli available in reliable online sources (e.g. [1], [2]). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:10, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I also added information about it being reported as "the earliest recorded pasta", as per this source. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:15, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I managed to find a bit more information about its history, which I added to the History section (diff). North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 22:41, 5 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]
After performing some reorganization of content, the history section is a bit longer now. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 00:45, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

End of GA Review:

A very well-worded article, with some suggestions I have made. I hope you can look over them and provide me some feedback. Thanks again; I shall put this article on hold for seven days. Carbrera (talk) 22:30, 4 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

N.b. I have further expanded the article; sources available online about the topic have mostly been "used up" at this time. North America¹⁰⁰⁰ 19:53, 6 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Well done! I have passed the article! Thanks again. Carbrera (talk) 01:26, 8 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]