Talk:Temporary Like Achilles

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February 17, 2023	Good article nominee	Listed
August 8, 2023	Good topic candidate	Promoted

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GA Review

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Reviewer: K. Peake (talk · contribs) 09:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Criteria: 1a. prose () 1b. MoS () 2a. ref layout () 2b. cites WP:RS () 2c. no WP:OR () 2d. no WP:CV ()

3a. broadness () 3b. focus () 4. neutral () 5. stable () 6a. free or tagged images () 6b. pics relevant ()

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This will be over with today! --K. Peake 09:03, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox and lead

Columbia Studio A, Nashville → Columbia A, Nashville in the infobox
Remove the blues genre from the opening sentence and place the side three of double album part here, placing the release year in brackets instead and removing the track position

Amended, hopefully OK. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the studio named as Columbia Music Row Studios here when elsewhere says otherwise and piped to the article for Columbia Studio B?

I had missed this. I think that older sources tend to state "Music Row Studios". Lots of the Blonde on Blonde articles previously links to Quonset Hut Studio. However, as Sanders (2020) wrote, "Johnston... block booked Studio A... Studio A was the secondary studio at Columbia's Nashville facility; Studio B was the in-demand room, the iconic Qunoset Hut" (p.99) BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"The song incorporated elements" → "The song is a blues number that incorporates elements"
"at being kept wating" → "at being kept waiting"
"involved with; she is" → "involved with, who is" to be less repetitive with the body
"for both lyrics and musicianship." → "for its lyrics and musicianship." to be less wordy
"A different take was" → "A different take was included on"

Amended per the five points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Background and recording

"with a chorus" are you sure the plural shouldn't be used instead since this is about two recordings?

Tweaked. I added what the chorus was here (and removed it from later in the article). BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't it be mentioned that the finishing lines are also used throughout?

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"on June 20, 1966.[11][12][a], as" → "on June 20, 1966,[11][12][a] as"
"The song is described as a" → ""Temporary Like Achilles" is described as a"
Wikilink blues and add an appropriate term after the quote, like song or number
"who is now with" → "that is now with"
Wikilink as minor chords per WP:PIPE
"and "Most Likely You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine" from the same album" → "and "Most Likely You Go Your Way and I'll Go Mine", also from Blonde on Blonde," and remove the first comma
Wikilink Tin Pan Alley
"that it was the only track" → "that it was also the only track"

Amended per the right points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:07, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lyrical interpretation

"and "Leans against" → "and "Lean[s] against" per the source

Amended. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"also believes that the classical poetry influenced Dylan" this does not work grammatically after the school part; I am confused what you are even trying to say here

Reworked - I also removed the article title from the text. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Dylan mentioned The Odyssey," → "Dylan mentioned the Odyssey," with the wikilink
Add a space before Geoff Ward

Amended per the two points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:13, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Critical reception

Mentioning the album's critical reception here is irrelevant; either replace with the song's for the first sentence or just remove this altogether if you can't summarize

Removed. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"of the album that "One" → "of the album, "One"
"not very special"." → "not very special."" per MOS:QUOTE

Amended per the two points above. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:20, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Second para looks good!

Personnel

Good

Notes

Good

References

Copyvio score looks strong at 16.7%!!!!
Cite bobdylan.com as via instead and pipe Sony Music Entertainment to Sony Music on ref 9
Pipe Fort Lauderdale News to Sun-Sentinel on ref 17
Wikilink Nobel Foundation on ref 26

Done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:48, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Works cited

Retitle to Citations
Pipe Arion: A Journal of Humanities and the Classics to Arion (journal) and Trustees of Boston University to Boston University

Both done. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Cite Billboard Books as work/website instead

I'm not sure what is needed here. Looking at the book, Billboard Books is shown as an imprint of Watson-Guptill. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:30, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

External links

Good

Final comments and verdict

On hold until all of the issues are fixed; this looks a bit messy but should be sorted soon enough! --K. Peake 10:51, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for another thorough, constructive review, K. Peake. There may be a couple more amendments needed - let me know what's required. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 13:28, 16 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BennyOnTheLoose Well done on the speedy response and cleaning things up really well; the only problem left is with Billboard Books since it should be cited in a parameter that creates italicisation. --K. Peake 09:21, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think that this is possible within the limits of the cite book template, K. Peake. I checked that Billboard Books, rather than Watson-Guptill or any other entity, is listed as the publisher in sources like WorldCat and the British Library catalogue. Trying to format manually gives an error message: "Italic or bold markup not allowed in: publisher=". Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 12:08, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

✓ Pass now, the reasoning for no implementation is acceptable! --K. Peake 17:23, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks again, K. Peake. The article is listed at Wikipedia:Good_articles/Music#Songs, although I think it should be under "1960 to 1969 songs" rather than "1970 to 1979 songs". I can't see the GA icon on the article page, so I'm not sure what's happened there. Regards, BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 14:38, 19 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

BennyOnTheLoose I was unable to edit the talk page due to only having my mobile phone available, therefore I have changed it now to add the GA icon and there must have been a similar error on the articles page that I will now fix. --K. Peake 10:00, 20 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]