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A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on June 6, 2021.

The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that grass was planted on top of the Tala tank to protect it from the Japanese bombing of Calcutta during World War II?

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Desertarun (talk) 18:41, 1 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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Tala tank in August 1911

... that the Tala tank is the largest overhead water reservoir in the world? Source: The Times of India
- ALT1:... that the Tala tank survived the Japanese bombing on Calcutta in World War II by planting grass on top of the tank? Source: The Telegraph
- ALT2:... that the Tala tank has total water holding capacity of 9.9 million imperial gallons (45,000 cubic metres)? Source: ice.org.uk
- ALT3:... that the steel used for building the Tala tank is the same quality steel used in the Titanic? Source: Ei Samay

Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/312 and 314 East 53rd Street
Comment:

Created by ArnabSaha (talk). Self-nominated at 15:06, 14 May 2021 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Adequate sourcing: Neutral: Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: Interesting:

Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
Freely licensed: Used in article: Clear at 100px:

QPQ: Done.

Overall: ALT1 is most interesting, followed by ALT0. I've made a few grammatical adjustments to these hooks, though they may need to be refined a bit more.

The picture is public domain in the US, but it would have to be considered public domain in India as well. That is only possible if the image is considered a photograph (thus https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Template:PD-India-photo-1958 should be placed on the file page). I'm not sure if this is the case. Epicgenius (talk) 14:53, 15 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Epicgenius It's a drawing. But it should be free in India (60 years in India). In commons, only the option for U.S. is there, and I thought it would do the work. That's why didn't add PD-India manually. Also, its from a U.S. magazine. Now, the problem is, there's a issue with my PC, and I can't edit on mobile. If possible, kindly edit the file license. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 17:57, 16 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@ArnabSaha: Sorry for forgetting to respond. I've edited the file license. Epicgenius (talk) 14:50, 21 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Epicgenius: what about this? Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 10:47, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

ALT1a:... that grass was planted on top of Tala tank to protect it from the Japanese bombing on Calcutta during World War II?

ArnabSaha, that works as well. I changed the link to make it point directly to the article as required by DYK rules. Epicgenius (talk) 14:50, 25 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Tala tank/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Lee Vilenski (talk · contribs) 17:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I am planning on reviewing this article for GA Status, over the next couple of days. Thank you for nominating the article for GA status. I hope I will learn some new information, and that my feedback is helpful.

If nominators or editors could refrain from updating the particular section that I am updating until it is complete, I would appreciate it to remove a edit conflict. Please address concerns in the section that has been completed above (If I've raised concerns up to references, feel free to comment on things like the lede.)

I generally provide an overview of things I read through the article on a first glance. Then do a thorough sweep of the article after the feedback is addressed. After this, I will present the pass/failure. I may use strikethrough tags when concerns are met. Even if something is obvious why my concern is met, please leave a message as courtesy.

Best of luck! you can also use the {{done}} tag to state when something is addressed. Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}

Please let me know after the review is done, if you were happy with the review! Obviously this is regarding the article's quality, however, I want to be happy and civil to all, so let me know if I have done a good job, regardless of the article's outcome.

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Lede

It was inaugurated in May 1911 by the Lieutenant Governor of Bengal after two years of construction. - weird wording. Probably best to start with when the project was started first. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 06:47, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
No need to link major landmasses like the United Kingdom Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:25, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 06:46, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

General

Pumped water supply in the city dated back to 1820. - you need to define things in the body even if you say them in the lede - so cover where you are talking about. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- It's in the history section... Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 06:52, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  - Sure, but you say "the city" without explaining what that is. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 15:03, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    - Done Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 15:14, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Probably worth mentioning why were are talking about the British. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Sorry, can you kindly elaborate? Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:12, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Pulta (now Palta - you can just link, you don't need to say what it is now. This happens a few times in the article. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I mentioned the current name since the readers might think of it as a spelling mistake. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:09, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Engineer of Calcutta Corporation (KMC) - why KMC? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- During the British era, it was Calcutta Corporation. Then it became Calcutta Municipal Corporation. And after the name was changed, it became Kolkata Municipal Corporation. Also, today is popularly known as KMC only. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:07, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
around 7 bigha[6] or 3–4 acres - are these the same thing? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Yes. "bigha" is a very popular local unit for measuring land area. But there's no exact conversion rate for that. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:04, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Mukherjee and Co. - better way to say this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- I guess no, because "Mukherjee and Co." is a name Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:01, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The reinforced concrete foundation - can we rearrange to not have the SEAOFBLUE? Maybe "the foundation, made from reinforced concrete..." Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 18:50, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:02, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
and Middlesbrough in the United Kingdom,[ - Middlesbrough (and Leeds) is in England Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:00, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
US$1.55 million in 1911.[ - needs inflation template. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 07:18, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Indo-Pak war of 1947–1948 and 1965.[ - was this two different wars? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:33, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- yes Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 06:59, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
₹25 crore - you link here, but you've already mentioned core. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- Done Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 06:58, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
You also duplicate this link a little later. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The Government of India is bearing 33% - is this still ongoing, or is this the wrong tense? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 21:37, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
- It's still ongoing. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 06:54, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The largest overhead water tank[13] or reservoir was constructed on the 250-year-old[27] Barrackpore Trunk Road. - why the refs in the middle of the sentence like this? Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)}
- [13] for the "largest" and [27] for "250 year old" Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 06:57, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Review meta comments

I'll begin the review as soon as I can! If you fancy returning the favour, I have a list of nominations for review at WP:GAN and WP:FAC, respectively. I'd be very grateful if you were to complete one of these if you get time. Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} Best Wishes, Lee Vilenski ^{(talk • contribs)} 17:57, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Lee Vilenski, Addressed concerns stated above Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 16:23, 17 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Photo suggestions

Maybe not easy to do at the moment but when convenient I suggest as well as a better overall photo that a pic of the plaque in https://www.ice.org.uk/news-and-insight/latest-ice-news/field-trip-to-the-largest-tank-at-tala would be good. And if possible one from the same point as the old drawing. Chidgk1 (talk) 11:34, 8 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1, Most probably I will visit the tank and click some pictures by this week. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 16:28, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, found a better structural plan of the tank. Will replace the existing one Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 16:35, 9 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1 Visited the tank today. But, due to the ongoing festival, couldnt enter the complex and most of the areas were covered with banners, decorative lights. Photos I got: c:File:Tala tank 1.jpg ... c:File:Tala tank 8.jpg Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 13:00, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Glad you got out and about and I hope you enjoyed the festival. I think a brightly colored festival against a drab tank might have worked - but difficult to take. I see it is also tricky to picture because of the surrounding walls and electricity poles. I think 2

gives a good idea of the height and metal supports - maybe crop out a little from the bottom and right but maybe leave the top left for local colour and explain it in brackets in the caption. Or maybe 8 (slightly cropped) if you prefer. Anyway both of your 2 and 8 are better for this article than the current top pic so that could be moved down or removed. If you need me to check alt-text on that or any others you decide to add then ping me. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:29, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Unless there is any relationship with the trains I think the pic with the guy is a better longshot - it should be cropped from the sides, top and perhaps a little from the bottom.

Maybe if you tell the renovation company you are improving the article they might let you have one or 2 interior pics Chidgk1 (talk) 16:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I was waiting for your opinion on the images. The uploader of the current infobox image was lucky to get that shot. At that time the bridge was just demolished and was easily accessible. Otherwise its very difficult to get a full image of the tank. Its massive! I will crop it. And will try to visit another day, after the festive season is over. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 18:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Perhaps the infobox data could be picked up from Wikidata

I see the article is in 2 languages so far. With all the recent improvements to the English article I guess it may be translated into other Indian languages in future. So it may be worth putting the infobox info into Wikidata to make it easier for new translations. To find out whether it is worth the effort I suggest experimenting to check which language(s) pick up the Wikidata when Wikipedia just has the empty infobox like {{Infobox building}}. I have found with other infoboxes that some languages do pick up Wikidata for some infoboxes and some don't. Chidgk1 (talk) 13:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Duh - I just checked for English and it only picks up the map Chidgk1 (talk) 13:57, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Pumps function and power and timing

So the principle of the pumping is still as described in cite 16? If so I think we should explain that in the article as it is not really covered in the article I linked to from "balancer" and most people won't understand "balancer".

I touched on energy storage before and you said it might be feasible. But perhaps you think the pumps are out of scope for this article? If they run the pumps at times of lowest electricity demand can they get cheap electricity? Or in future when the fossil fuel power stations have been replaced by low carbon power - presumably solar - if they pump when solar power exceeds electricity demand can they save much money? Or the pumps are not powerful enough for that? Or as the tank can hold 2 days supply could they do a deal where they get cheap power and keep it fairly full most of the time in return for an hour or so of Energy demand management whenever the electricity company is near a blackout? Chidgk1 (talk) 16:58, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Cite access denied

Cite 34 http://aitcofficial.org/aitc/chief-minister-inaugurates-new-pipeline-project-at-tala-reiterates-on-recycle-wastes-to-protect-ganga-pollution/ gives me "access denied". Maybe it is only available in certain countries? And cite 35 is 404 "not found" for me Chidgk1 (talk) 17:19, 17 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Chidgk1 Cite 34 is a website of a political party. Thats why it isnt available outside India. Added a url access level "Limited" tag. And cite 35, they are doing something with their website for the last few days. Saha ❯❯❯ Stay safe 05:41, 18 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]