Talk:Synge Street CBS

Synge Street CBS was nominated as a Social sciences and society good article, but it did not meet the good article criteria at the time (July 16, 2021). There are suggestions on the review page for improving the article. If you can improve it, please do; it may then be renominated.

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Categorisation

A new Synge street category has been created by @Twilson r: and they have removed all the 'parent' categories from this article. This is not what should happen with eponymous articles. Can we please discuss before remove categories wholesale like that? Fob.schools (talk) 11:23, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I will definitely do that, or just follow the guidelines to which you kindly pointed me. I had understood categories to be a strict "waterfall" and I have seen others make the same assumption, and I am sorry for any inconvenience. Twilson r (talk) 11:32, 10 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Moving Assessment discussion from SeoR_Talk

Thanks for your recent reassessment of Synge Street CBS. Have you any thoughts on what it needs to get to B class? Fob.schools (talk) 13:33, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fob.schools, good to meet - I see your work occasionally across many articles. The Synge Street article has been improving, and is almost ready for B. It would need a couple of standard sections, which could be short, but there should be something on ordinary academic aspects and facilities (these could be in a single section), and governance. And the parts relating to the school itself, and to the allied (but legally quite distinct) primary schools, should be more distinct. It is perfectly reasonable for the primaries to be here too, as they are not notable solo for articles, but as we get closer to GA (B being the highest this Project goes to), we need clarity. As one of Ireland's more famous schools, it would be great to see Synger go forward for GA, and I think it is do-able. SeoR (talk) 11:06, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Fob.schools: Further to SeoR's comments, even as it stands, the lede is too short and should be expanded. For GA and greater it would need to be 3-4 paragraphs as précis of the whole article and imho right now, if you want to up it to a B-class you should make the lede at least 2 paras. Good luck but I can't help you myself. ww2censor (talk) 15:09, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Ww2censor, and yes, I second that - even for B, the lede could be a bit more robust. Hi Fob.schools, I see you are already working further - great! The school's YSE achievements are outstanding. And a little more on sport will be great. Good GAA, while cycling, despite a head of world cycling as a teacher and an Irish cycling guy as a pp, not so much, but there were other sports too. SeoR (talk) 17:42, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I know the Pat McQuaid stuff is correct cos I was there when he was, but I can't find a WP:RS for it, so it may need to go before GA. There wasn't really much beyond GAA in my day, although the first soccer team was back then, and they were good. But getting WP:RSs for this sort of thing is difficult. I have a friend teaching there and have contacted him about getting access to more material to expand. Fob.schools (talk) 18:32, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

SeoR, Ww2censor - I have done some major updating of the article over the last few days, including rewriting the lede significantly. I've also created a to-do list here. Can you suggest what else needs to be added? in order to move on to GA candidate ?

Very interesting Fob.schools; it can stay for now, but as you say, by GA time... But I might find a source too, I seem to remember reading something somewhere - an interesting trajectory from part-time teacher to over 200k a year as head of world cycling. I'd heard about soccer but you're right, it's a problem for all Dublin school articles, so much activity, so little rising to the level of national RS. It's not always easy in other parts of Ireland either, but regional papers are sometimes amazingly detailed (80 pages of Kerryman, for example, gives you a lot on parish-level events and entities). I hope the friend can help indeed. SeoR (talk) 20:00, 29 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I've moved this discussion from the original user talk to this article talk as it is a more appropriate place for it. To continue the discussion here, i'd like to suggest that the article is very close to a B grade now. Lots of additional references have been added and the article expanded significantly. Is there anything else needs doing to get to a B? Fob.schools (talk) 14:16, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Having looked at the list, the first comparable article I can come up with is Belvedere College, which to me looks like it needs a ton of references to come up to the same level as Synger. C.B.C. Monkstown is a little better but most of the refs seem to be self-refs to the school website or archived versions of same. Is that acceptable? Fob.schools (talk) 17:29, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Fob.schools, and sorry for the delay in replying; I was unexpectedly offline for the last few days, and will only be back properly at the weekend. But seems good on the move, and excellent on the article progression. The referencing is now fine. I would still like to see a little more text, and slightly more muscular lede material (maybe just two paragraphs, but longer). Then we'd be along to B.

Belvedere has a decent article, but indeed inadequate referencing in parts. The CBC Monkstown article is OK but you are spot on, the level of self-referencing is not OK. It is not a bar to any level below B, but would be inadequate for B, and absolutely unworkable above. SeoR (talk) 23:41, 26 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Synge Street CBS/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 04:19, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Avoid one-sentence paragraphs and sections (MOS:BODY).
I added "citation needed" tags to unsourced sentences. Replace them with references.
#Notable teaching staff is missing sources for verification.
Actually, there are a lot of things that are not sourced.
FindAGrave.com is not reliable.
A lot of references are missing authors/dates/access-dates.
I recommend archiving sources (you can use this).
Avoid having titles with WP:ALLCAPS, WP:QWQ, and WP:CURLY apostrophes.
Don't use the "publisher" parameters for websites in citations.
Sort categories in alphabetical order.

Bottom note, this article needs to be copy-edited and sources need to be added for every claim. Failing the article for now, but feel free to renominate it once the comments above have been addressed. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 01:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]