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November 2, 2011	Good article nominee	Listed

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Radio Add

Apparently SS is going up for rock radio station adds on March 13th. Why is this so? Wasn't Lithium just released? The single hasn't even been released yet and no video has been made... so why are they already shipping it to radio stations?

Responce

Lithium just went for Pop Radio add. Sweet Sacrifice is going for Rock Radio add on the 13th. Singles will almost alway go for Radio Add before they're released in CD-Single format and a Video is released.

CNN Interview

Should this article mention the CNN interview with clips of Sweet Sacrifice? i dont think it has any valuable info in it but i was just putting it past anyone who reads this

if you havent seen it yet go to this site: http://www.cnn.com/video/player/play...f.windup&wm=11 Zacanescence 09:59, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Already added and placed. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 23:37, 17 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Music video

When will the music video be released? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 82.148.97.69 (talk) 10:12, 21 March 2007 (UTC).[reply]

there is currently no new info about when its going to be released, the song just got put on to air (radio) so expect it in the next month or so, they JUST filmed it on the 10th and its only 2 weeks later at the moment Zacanescence 09:41, 23 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Its going to be released April 5th on Yahoo Music Zacanescence

where is it on the bands official site? Zacanescence

Where is what, the video? -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 05:39, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

yeah, in the article it sounds like the pics actually CAME from the video of SS, they did but it should be more clear that the video isnt on the site

Not really relevant to be honest. The images came from the gallery section, if I recall. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 23:46, 3 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

CD Cover

should we really be using that cover? its not the actual cover its the promo cover for radio Zacanescence 09:31, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not useful for long-term, but let's leave it until we get something official. The current one can then be placed in the secondary cover slot, with explanation as to what it is. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 17:58, 26 March 2007 (UTC)[reply]

According to evanescencewebsite.com, this is the single cover. It was apparently found on MSN Music Website: http://img241.imageshack.us/img241/8475/sweetsacrificenh7.jpg Sparkling Gray 19:13, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've searched high and low and cannot locate anything that looks like that on either Google or the MSN Music site. I would say that this should be discounted as fancruft until otherwise independently verified on an official/reputable website. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 19:40, 8 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tracklisting

I removed the tracklisting that was on the article because it has not ben verified by any reputable sources yet. It may still be correct, but until it is verified, the tracklist should stay off the main article. Gyakusetsu 23:56, 3 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My fault, perhaps. When I made a few fixes to that section last, I removed a note that mentioned the data had come from jpc.de, and failed to add a proper citation afterward in its place. Oh well, fixed now. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 08:24, 4 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Release Date

what is the release date for the single? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.105.31.48 (talk) 03:07, 6 May 2007 (UTC).[reply]

Apparently May 8; it's in the infobox in the article. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 07:01, 6 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

is that for australia? its may 8 and i cant find it anywhere???? not even in the US. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.105.31.4 (talk • contribs) 23:11, 7 May 2007 (UTC)

Hmm, I was under the impression that it was a European-only release (The U.S. Amazon.com shows that it is an import-only thing), but Amazon.co.uk doesn't even have the discs listed on the site. The German retailer JPC.de has them for pre-order, but they won't be released until May 25. This is a little confusing, but you may recall that there were similar discrepancies for the Lithium release. I would wager, however, that you'll have to order your copy from a foreign retailer and have it imported, though you may find an Australian store that imports for you (like Amazon does). I'd just google around for some Aussie retailers and see if they have them for pre-order. -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 04:44, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

here in australia we usually get everything like a day or 2 before america or anyone does. like with lithium we got it like almost a month before america did. this is weird? where did the date put in the article even come from? is there even any confirmation? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 58.105.31.48 (talk • contribs) 03:32, 8 May 2007 (UTC)

Yes, very strange. The article's date came from Amazon.com's listing for the two versions, and I just confirmed that they are indeed fully for sale on the site, albeit with a shipping time of 4-6 weeks (likely due to it being an import). -- Huntster ^{T • @ • C} 12:05, 8 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

alternative rock?

should this song be considered nu metal, alternative metal or hard rock? 99.224.130.20 (talk) 21:26, 16 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

no, its based on what the label/band consider the genre to be. and i think you've also asked that about Weight Of The World, where the same applies.

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:Sweet Sacrifice/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Toa Nidhiki05 (talk · contribs) 00:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to be reviewing this. Probably will have the preliminary judging done by today or tomorrow. Toa Nidhiki05 00:58, 2 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

It is reasonably well written.
a (prose): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

Prose seems to be of at least decent, passable quality. Most of the issues come from phrasing and lack of usage of commas. No noticeable grammatical errors, so good job there. Changes I would make are noted in bold. Keep
- Change this sentence to "Upon its release, "Sweet Sacrifice" received mostly positive reviews by critics; many deemed the song as a highlight on the album and praised Lee's vocals, which some described as "haunting"." Done
- Although the song failed to chart as highly as' the band's previous singles, it appeared on the charts in Turkey and Germany, as well as the Billboard Hot Mainstream Rock Tracks chart. Done
- I would change the sentence "Lee confirmed that the song was inspired by the abusive relationship which was the inspiration of all the songs on the band's first album Fallen (2003)" to "Evanescence's lead singer Amy Lee wrote the song about the abusive relationship that inspired all of the songs on the group's debut record Fallen. Lee has noted, however, that the song comes from "a much stronger standpoint than Fallen. It's not saying, "I'm trapped in fear and somebody save me." It's saying, "Fear is only in our minds ... I'm not afraid anymore". I would add the sentence because I think it is very interesting and would draw in readers better, but it is not essential to include it. :) Not done - I don't want to add sources in the lead and every citation needs a source.
- "A music video for the song, directed by Paul R. Brown, was filmed in California between March 9 and March 10, 2007; It contained mostly live performances and was compared with the film The Cell." Done
A personal peeve of mine in this article is the addition of release years in parentheses behind albums, singles, and tours. While not against policy (to my knowledge), I find this distracting... Not essential to change, however. Not done
The only real issue with format is that right off the bat I notice the lede is too large - WP:LEDE dictates that the lede should only have three paragraphs if it has at least 15,000 characters, and this only has about 9,000. Shorten the lede to one or two paragraphs (it is easily large enough for two). Done

It is factually accurate and verifiable.
a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR):
Sources are good, but I would suggest archiving the links to avoid link rot.

I don't have much time now to do this but I'll try tomorrow or on November 4.

As annoying as it is, all direct quotes must be cited - even if they cut off mid-sentence. The 'reception' section in particular needs to have inline citations after each direct quote. Done
The article identifies the song as part of the 'rock' genre, but the infobox identifies it as 'alternative metal'. 'Rock' is the only one cited, so this could be a possible OR violation.

The source also says that it's an alternative metal, post-grunge and gothic metal song. And editors chose to write alternative metal in the infobox of every Evanescence song so that's why it states alternative metal.

It is broad in its coverage.
a (major aspects): b (focused):
No issues here. Song is comprehensively covered.
It follows the neutral point of view policy.
Fair representation without bias:
Article is very neutral, good job.
It is stable.
No edit wars, etc.:
No issues here
It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate.
a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
All good here.
Overall:
Pass/Fail:
~~There are some minor concerns to be addressed, but this is a solid article for the most part.~~ Alright, good job here. Passed. :)

This song wasn't played at the November 8, 2009 show

This review of the São Paulo 2009 show says that "Some hits were left out, like Sweet Sacrifice and Everybody's Fool" (translated from Portuguese). And YouTube also agrees that the song wasn't played there. And Amy said before performing the song during a live show on March 29, 2012: "We did this one yeserday for the first time in about five or six years". --Markhoris (talk) 17:25, 16 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]