Talk:Supercomputing in India

May 2011

I have attempted to clean-up the article and some information has been removed due to duplication and lack of references. Article has been made up-to date and new information has been added. Kenfyre 13:13, 22 May 2011 (UTC)

June 2012

I added some preliminary information from the TOP500 June 2012 list. But the article, especially the list of "Notable Supercomputers" needs an update.Pratik Sheth 19 June 2012 —Preceding undated comment added 16:20, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for making the changes. I will also try to help out on this. Anir1uph (talk) 18:49, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

July 2014

I think there is still duplicacy on the page with Idataplex repeated two times..User:KeshavKaps

Edits 21 September 2020

There seems to have been an inexplicable set of reversions by ‎User:‎Mohan Rose Ali. The article has been moved back to a state where it was both poorly written and poorly referenced. This was confusing for the reader. All the citations and references have been removed. Since there has been no explanation for this I have reverted it back to its most recent state. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 22:10, 21 September 2020 (UTC)

I'm pretty shocked by the edit on 23 Sep by Mohan Rose Ali. I suspect there's not going to be civil discussion. I've asked the administrators to assist at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Supercomputing_in_India - Master Of Ninja (talk) 16:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I also thank User:Schazjmd for deleting the false accusations made directly in the main article page. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 16:02, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

I note that the administrator on the board have banned the user above from editing the page for a week. They have also spotted (which I failed to do) that there was a massive conflict of interest with the user naming himself on the page. I am going to move the page back to the state it was and we can discuss how to improve it from here. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 18:30, 23 September 2020 (UTC)

See further discussion on User talk:Mohan Rose Ali (and note revision) - Master Of Ninja (talk) 10:16, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Article improvement and recent edits

This is for editors to this article, but also to @User:Mohan Rose Ali. Just to explain the changes I have made over the last few months. This is to improve the article and reference it. When I first looked over the article the english level was poor - especially for a casual reader who happened to chance upon the page to understand - and my plan was to improve it. I've culled a lot of long sentences and repetition. I've then either deleted information that is not related to the topic at hand, or tried to move it to other more relevant articles. Whilst looking at references it was obvious that there was other groups/institutions that were also relevant to the development of Indian supercomputing that I have acknowledged and referenced. The main references for these were Sinha et al., Patnaik and Bhatkar. The last reference is quite important as this gentleman seems quite important in the development with his own wikipedia page, and links to the related topics of C-DAC and PARAM. I note User:Mohan Rose Ali on his talk page is having a conversation with administrators, and notes that he was an "early and first architect" of CHIPPS and PARAM. In their edits they named themselves and other architects - I took these out as the references could not back up this claim, and certainly were not notable enough to have their own wikipedia entries. As a collaborative project I am more than happy to edit alongside other editors to improve articles, but I think we do need to actually justify what is written with citations. The citations I have put in are the best that I can find, and perhaps the early history of Indian supercomputing is poorly documented for historical purposes. If anyone does have any better references please do suggest or add them! - Master Of Ninja (talk) 10:31, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Reverted changes October 2020

I just noticed this on the history of the article, and updating here to bring everyone up to date. Following on from what I've written on recent edits above, it seems on 3 October User:Mohan Rose Ali reverted the article. The page was then moved to a new title, which also keeps out of naming with similar articles. This was noticed by the WP administrators on 4 October 2020, who then rolled back the changes. As can be seen on User_talk:Mohan_Rose_Ali, the user has been banned indefinitely from editing Supercomputing in India for conflict of interest issues. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 10:44, 11 October 2020 (UTC)

Note By Mohan Rose Ali (talk) 01:22, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

REF :

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Supercomputing_in_India#Edits_21_September_2020

2. https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supercomputing_in_India&action=history

3. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/Mohan_Rose_Ali

4. The Collapsed Contents of the Page : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supercomputing_in_India?

5. The Original Contents of the Page @ https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Supercomputing_in_India&oldid=981702218

Attention To Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Supercomputing_in_India : A User identified as Master Of Ninja has collapsed the original contents of the page and the information has been reduced to almost nil on the Indian efforts pertaining to 'Supercomputer Development In India'. He/She has removed so many relevant and vital information just arbitrarily by so many organized attempts with lame explanations and when I tried to identify the malicious removal of the content and tried again to revert them back, I was unnecessarily blamed to have 'conflict of interest' without noticing the very purpose of restoring the original contents of the articles and references. The Administrators can note this truth by going through the View history / Contributions - REF 2 & 3 of editing. I expect the Administrators to revert back to the Original Contents of the Page as identified in REF : 5 and I make my earnest request in this regard. Alternatively, If my block is removed, I shall do it once again.

I claim to have more authority to manage the content as the First Architect of Indian Supercomputer - CHIPPS : C-DOT High Performance Parallel Processing System which formed the very foundation and the core base of Indian Supercomputer Architecture for the further development of PARAM Models at C-DAC which was promoted later by Government of India after C-DOT transferred the technology and when Dr. Vijay Pandurang Bhatkar was made in-charge to take over.

I hope Wikipedia, in accordance with its policy to maintain the integrity and authenticity of information contained in its pages, will find out the truth in order to take corrective actions at the earliest and advise and block the User:Master Of Ninja (who has collapsed the entire contents of the page very systematically with malicious intentions) by checking the editing history - View history - REF 2 - in order not to do the same acts once again.

I shall be better obliged if my block is removed.

Thanks & Regards,

Mohan Rose Ali (talk) 01:18, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

Response

@Mohan Rose Ali - I am sad to hear that you are aggrieved by the edits. As I have pointed out before the edits were made in good faith to improve the article. The article was difficult to read when I first stumbled upon it, especially compared to articles on supercomputing in other regions. I don't feel that though this is a reason to attack me. As you stated you are involved in supercomputing in India, as per the Wikipedia guidelines you do have a conflict of interest - I would review the linked wikipedia page for the WP guidelines; I think this is something you have to take up with the administrators. Going back to your points:

1. I have not "collapsed" the page. The page was edited to make it more readable for generalised Wikipedia readers
2. The information that I have added is accurate - you can see this by the references that I have put on the page. I have explained this to you previously.
3. Information that has been removed has been information that I could not verify - and this was using academic article including by Indian scientists such as Bhatkar and Patnaik. Information that you added cannot be verified by the sources - I have asked that you provide some sources for the information that you have added, but you have not pointed me to any.
4. You state that you were involved in the creation of one of the supercomputers, giving you a conflict of interest. However you also do note provide any supporting evidence for this fact. Are there academic or government papers that testify to these statements?
5. I note you suggest that I have reduced the writing on the Indian contributions to nil. I would counter that I actually have enhanced this. The original version seemed to down play the role of other groups such as NAL, BARC and ANURAG which have been attested to in the literature.
6. I feel that properly referencing the article has allowed description of other developments and funding plans for development of supercomputer over the decades.

I note that you have also posted this onto User talk:CambridgeBayWeather and they have replied. They have suggested you actually discuss what changes you want to see, and provide links to references to back up these claims. - Master Of Ninja (talk) 09:07, 25 October 2020 (UTC)