Talk:SummerSlam (2016)

Semi-protected edit request on 25 July 2016

189.241.186.176 (talk) 06:22, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

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SummerSlam (2016) Promotion WWE Brand(s) Raw SmackDown Date August 21, 2016 City Brooklyn, New York Venue Barclays Center WWE Network event chronology ← Previous NXT TakeOver: Back to Brooklyn Next → Backlash (2016) SummerSlam chronology ← Previous SummerSlam (2015) Next → —

 Done - As there was no explanation given, I ascertained that the difference was the sponsor, and a look at the WWE SummerSlam 2016 official page does indeed say "presented by Cricket Wireless", so I have made that change. MSJapan (talk) 06:49, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Fake Results

Can someone remove the fake results that some vandal has posted. These are clearly false and should not be there — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.94.233.14 (talk) 14:32, 25 July 2016 (UTC)

Sasha and Charlotte

Last time I visited I thought I saw a title match between these two on the card. Now it's gone. Why was it removed? No source? Ranze (talk) 19:35, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

It's because WWE have not officially announced a match between them at SummerSlam. Until WWE announce it, it won't be added to this page — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.192.33.230 (talk) 23:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)

Except for the NXT Takeover pages where that rule doesn't apply. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.185.55.29 (talk) 12:57, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

It's confirmed now. http://www.wwe.com/shows/summerslam/2016/sasha-banks-vs-charlotte 71.55.111.89 (talk) 22:05, 30 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 27 July 2016

Submit Dolph Ziggler

86.158.8.94 (talk) 01:56, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Not done: The page's protection level has changed since this request was placed. You should now be able to edit the page yourself. If you still seem to be unable to, please reopen the request with further details. Sam Sailor ^Talk! 11:06, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Fully Protect Request

As you can see, the article has been vandalized and needs protection. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.94.233.14 (talk) 15:29, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 1 August 2016

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SummerSlam (2016) Promotion WWE Brand(s) Raw SmackDown Date August 21, 2016 City Brooklyn, New York Venue Barclays Center WWE Network event chronology ← Previous NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn II Next → Backlash (2016) SummerSlam chronology ← Previous SummerSlam (2015) Next → —

189.241.186.176 (talk) 23:42, 1 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Cannolis (talk) 15:44, 2 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 3 August 2016

Dean ambrose is facing dolph ziggler at summerslam its already been determined

Tripleog69 (talk) 01:28, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: No sources given. -- MorbidEntree - _{(Talk to me! (っ◕‿◕)っ♥)}(please reply using {{ping}}) 03:40, 3 August 2016 (UTC)

this is the real poster : http://www.pwmania.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/CpIl3DjVIAAdYeV-1024x1007.jpg — Preceding unsigned comment added by AlaaW (talk • contribs) 21:09, 11 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 12 August 2016

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SummerSlam (2016) Promotion WWE Brand(s) Raw SmackDown Date August 21, 2016 City Brooklyn, New York Venue Barclays Center WWE Network event chronology ← Previous NXT TakeOver: Brooklyn II Next → Backlash (2016) SummerSlam chronology ← Previous SummerSlam (2015) Next → SummerSlam (2017)

189.241.179.172 (talk) 11:50, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format. Don't simply paste in content from the article and make the changes here - tell us specifically what changes you'd like to see made. ‑‑ElHef (Meep?) 13:30, 12 August 2016 (UTC)

References

What's this about?? Dange 34-4 (talk) 15:22, 13 August 2016 (UTC)

Roman

Roman is not going to win because wwe is not done punishing him,they have put a lot of work and invested a lot of money on him but he let them down so that's why I don't think he is going to win at all.What do you guys think?? Dange 34-4 (talk) 14:22, 18 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is WP:NOT a discussion forum. If you want to have a chat about the topic, that's fine and dandy but Wikipedia talk pages are not the place for this but for improving articles. Str1977 ^(talk) 09:37, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Team names in matches/results section

Recently there has been a lot of back and forth about how to call wrestlers/teams in the matches/results section. The proper WP is to deal with disagreements is to discuss this on talk pages. While I'm not innocent, somebody has to start the discussion.

I see two different sets of disagreements:

• Issue A: Should teams like Enzo Amore & Big Cass or Luke Gallows & Karl Anderson be going by these names (basically just putting individual ring names together) or should we use some shorthand team name like Enzo & Cass or Gallows and Anderson.
  Some editors have argued (IMO on a rather slime basis of sources) that "Enzo & Cass" is now the team name. However, even if this were so, I think we still have to include the full ring names of the individual team names. So unless "Enzo Amore" is renamed to simply "Enzo" and "Big Cass" is renamed to simply "Cass", both longer names must appear just as we name "Kofi Kingston" and "Xavier Woods" and not simply write "The New Day" or just as we name "Jimm Uso" and "Jey Uso" and not just write "The Usos".
  So if "Enzo & Cass" is really an official team name, we would have to write "Enzo & Cass (Enzo Amore and Big Cass"). I think that is a bit unwieldy and hence perfer just to use both full names. And that's the way WWE does it on their official match articles (the one link to as a reference for the match, right after the match type/stipulation).
• Issue B: Should we actually use certain team names. Cases in point are "The Club" for Gallows & Anderson and "Jeri-KO" for Jericho & Owens. I think we shouldn't use these names, though for different reasons:
  • "The Club" is the WWE name for the trio of Styles, Gallows and Anderson, formerly of NJPW's Bullet Club. This group has been effectively broken apart by the brand split. Even if one argued that they still existed, though on sperate brands, the duo of Gallows and Anderson are not the same as the Club just like Arn Anderson & Tully Blanchard by themselves were not "The 4 Horsemen". Unless, of course, WWE starts to identiffy the duo as "The Club". Thus far, I see no evidence for this.
  • The team of Jericho and Owen has been called "Jeri-KO", including by WWE itself. However, at this point we have no way of knowing whether the team will last or the name will stick.
    Earlier this year we had "Y2AJ" or "The Bloodline" and of course, some editors immeditely used the names all over WP and even created articles. Now, the teams/groups are gone, the articles are gone and the names are revealed to have been short-lived monikers.
    IMHO, the best solution is to follow the way WWE describes the match in their official match articles (the one link to as a reference for the match, right after the match type/stipulation). There, the match itself is called "Enzo Amore and Big Cass vs. Chris Jericho and Kevin Owens". True, the article mentions "Jeri-KO" in the text twice but I'm certain that other articles also call John Cena "The face that runs the place", AJ Styles "Phenomenal", Sasha Banks "The Boss", Brock Lesnar "The Beast (Incarnate") or uses all three of Randy Orton's nicknames. But we won't include them in the match section. Just as we shouldn't include "Jeri-KO" until it is clear that it is a stable, official team name for a stable team.Str1977 ^(talk) 10:09, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

PS. Let me illustrate what I is (and is not) an official WWE match article on the example of Enzo/Cass vs. "Jeri-KO":

• First, we have this link [1], which takes you to an article on WWE.com titled Enzo Amore & Big Cass vs. Chris Jericho & Kevin Owens, penned by one John Clapp. This is the real deal. Every match on every PPV article has such an article as a basic reference that the match are actually happening. Those articles are not perfect, sometimes ambiguous but we saw what happens when go beyond the information actually given in the debacle around the New Day vs. League of Nations match at Wrestlemania. (Which according to Wikipedia at one point was quite contradictory both a handicap match and a title match. The official article never stated anything of the kind.)
• Next, we have this link [2] which takes you to a tweet by WWE. It reads "THIS SUNDAY: The team of #JeriKO (@FightOwensFight & @IAmJericho) takes on @WWEAaLLday21 & @BigCassWWE! #SummerSlam" I think it highly questionable to use tweets as a source for anything else but that the tweet happened. As I already explained in an edit summary, one might deduce from this that there is a match pitting "@FightOwensFight" and "@IAmJericho" (who together are called #JeriKO) against "@WWEAaLLday21" and "@BigCassWWE". That doesn't even make sense when you remove all the @ and #. Note also something that I had overlooked until now: the tweet calls the team "JeriKO", while the official articles speaks of "Jeri-KO".
• Finally, there is this link [3], which takes you to a picture of match graphic that reads "Enzo & Cass vs. Jeri-KO". I'm not really familiar with twitter and hence don't know if "twimg.com" means that the picture is taken from twitter. Anyway, I have no way of knowing who made this picture. To me, it looks like a bit sloppy photoshopping (with the match pairing touching the SimmerSlam logo - the font also doesn't seem to fit). In any case, even if WWE produced and posted the picture, it doesn't beat the offical article linked above.

Str1977 ^(talk) 12:07, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

As long as no one responds, I suppose the name "Jeri-KO" has no place in this event. The two weren't even introduced by that name. Str1977 ^(talk) 20:08, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Orton and Lesnar

Are there any other stipulations like winner becomes number one contender to a title or something? Going to add the bit about it still being on to background. Ranze (talk) 15:30, 21 July 2016 (UTC)

I want either Lesnar or Orton to win. AdamGarcia29 (talk) 02:30, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is WP:NOT a discussion forum. Str1977 ^(talk) 09:37, 21 August 2016 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on August 21, 2016

Shouldn't the Rusev vs. Reigns match be "did not occur" as the match never was officially under way or started? To say it ended in a no-contest implies that the match started and ended in no result? retched (talk) 02:52, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Balor vs Rollins was No DQ

As mentioned by Michael Cole, Balor vs Rollins was no DQ, and therefore rope breaks were not allowed (which we saw during the match) — Preceding unsigned comment added by DanTheStripe (talk • contribs) 12:08, 22 August 2016 (UTC)

Inclusion of Nikki in the introduction

@Str1977:, To answer your reverted edit on the intro inclusion of Nikki Bella in the introduction. The edit that I made would still convey the same message about the reintroduction of Nikki Bella to the roster and removing the "citation needed" tag. If "rewording this doesn't answer the question why this should be in the intro", then why did you revert it to put the "citation needed" back in the intro and not just remove it instead? If the question was on my edit or the inclusion, shouldn't you just have removed it instead? retched (talk) 17:00, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

The thing is, while I personally don't consider Nikki Bella's return notable for the event (in other words: years from now, people will talk of SummerSlam 2016 as the night Finn Balor won the Universal title or Lesnar perpetrated his disgusting massacre of Randy Orton or AJ Styles beat John Cena clean but not as the night Nikki returned - it doesn't define the event) I am not opposed to this judgment being included if there is a source. Because of this - and to avoid the constant back-and-forth with those who insist on pushing this into the intro - I tagged the line and did not simply remove it.

As for your change: it removed the word "notable" but still implied notability as only notable elements belong into the intro. Hence the revert. Str1977 ^(talk) 19:24, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Rusev vs Roman Reigns

There has been some editing back and forth about whether or not this should be included in the "Results" table. It's really simple, there was never a bell rung to start the match. Therefore there was no match. It was just 2 guys having a brawl. It can't even be considered a 'no contest' because a no contest means the opening bell rang to start the match, but there was no conclusive finish. That is not what happened here. Seems pretty open and shut to not include this in the Results table. However, the "Event" section needs to fleshed out and filled in. That's the section where the Rusev-Reigns brawl can be included. OldSkool01 (talk) 21:17, 23 August 2016 (UTC)

It's never really that simple. The match was scheduled and both men came down to the ring. They fought and the result was that the match didn't officially begin. That's quite different from the 10-Men-Tag at Wrestlemania X. And I carefully worded this as "was a no-contest" and not "fought to a no-contest". It certainly belongs into the event section. Str1977 ^(talk) 19:26, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

It absolutely does not belong in the results table. By adding a brawl to the results table you now have to go back to every PPV in history where there was a scheduled match that never happened and they ended up brawling. Rollins and Ambrose from Battleground 2014 immediately comes to mind and there are others. Whether a match is advertised or not has nothing with the fact that it did NOT happen. Regardless if they made the introductions. If there was an opening bell and then they fought to a no contest that would absolutely be considered a match. But that's not what happened. No opening bell, no match. The brawl is mentioned in the "Event" section of the page. That's where it belongs. OldSkool01 (talk) 19:46, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Your comparison doesn't hold water. This wasn't a mere match that never happened (of which there have been quite a few) but a match that was about to begin but didn't. We cannot act like nothing happened. Can we have a footnote as a compromise? Str1977 ^(talk) 20:07, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

My comparison to Ambrose vs Rollins does hold water. They made the introductions and then the match never happened. I can think of many other instances like that. There was a Saturday Night's Main Event episode where Nikolai Volkoff and Sgt. Slaughter made their entrances for a match and then it never happened because Slaughter jumped him before the bell rang. The match is not listed in the results table, but it is mentioned in the notes. I have no problem if you want to make a note underneath the Results table about Reigns and Rusev. Although that would be redundant because it's already mentioned in the Event section. But having a non-match in the Results table is just silly. OldSkool01 (talk) 22:01, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

I added a note under the Results table. Also added more details to the Event section. OldSkool01 (talk) 22:51, 25 August 2016 (UTC)

Okay, I settle for the footnote, though it should be worded correctly. "didn't happen" is too close to the impression of "nothing happened" that we want to avoid.

As for Ambrose vs. Rollins back then, the article says "Next, Dean Ambrose was scheduled to face Seth Rollins, but Ambrose was ejected from the arena by Triple H for fighting with Rollins backstage. Rollins subsequently announced that he had won their match by forfeit. Later, as Rollins was leaving the arena, he was ambushed by Ambrose.[14]" - Two observations: Ambrose never came out for the match (SummerSlam 2016 both contestants came out), Rollins (somewhat) was declared the winner. Forfeit victories do count.

Str1977 ^(talk) 05:11, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

I have no problem at all with the footnote. I'm cool with that. As for forfeit wins, personally I really don't consider those to be actual matches, but at least there is a winner announced. In matches that never officially get started and never officially end, that's a different story altogether. OldSkool01 (talk) 05:37, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

"General Manager"?

"Lesnar continued to attack Orton until Smackdown General Manager Shane McMahon came out to check on Orton"

Shane is the Smackdown Commissioner. Daniel Bryan is the GM 73MPL4R (talk) 16:55, 7 September 2016 (UTC)