Talk:Sultanate of Women

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Some sources say that the Sultanate of women began in 1533 to 1656 and the first women who first is the one to create the sultanate of women was hurrem sultan the consort and legal wife of sultan suleiman the magnificent she was the first women ever to hold the title of haseki and the second holder was nurbanu sultan. The legel wife and haseki of sultan selim II and the valide sultan to her son sultan Murat III and the 3rd one is safiya sultan the Consort of Murat III and the valide sultan to her son sultan mehmet III And the 4rd one is handan sultan the consort of sultan mehmet III and the valide sultan of her son Ahmed I The 5rd holder is halime sultan the consort and haseki of mehmet III and the valide sultan to her son sultan mustafa I the 6rd holder is kosem sultan the consort haseki and legel wife of sultan Ahmed I and the valide sultan to her adoptive son sultan osman II the son of sultan Ahmed I and mahfiruz sultan his real mother and then when sultan osman II died kosem sultan was the valide sultan to her real sons sultan Murat Iv and sultan Ibrahim I The 7rd holder is hatice turhan sultan the consort of sultan Ibrahim I and the valide sultan to her son sultan mehmet Iv

Comments: User:Tourskin

Is this a joke? Tourskin 23:58, 7 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No. Wimstead (talk) 02:27, 7 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

In Turkish?

Which is it: Kadınlar Saltanatı or Kadınlar Sultanati? --Againme (talk) 14:51, 23 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Kadınlar Saltanatı is correct - see Turkish_phonology#Vowel_harmony. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.2.1.77 (talk) 03:39, 17 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Its Kadınlar Saltanatı 78.190.155.102 (talk) 17:59, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Coffee chat

The intro of this article is quite an Original Research. (I could not read the rest yet; need some time to calm down.) The 39 provinces issue borders ridicule. Fistly saying "they were not all Turkish communities" is funny, because it is supposed WP editors know what "Empire" means. Secondly, "39 provinces did not split after the collapse of the Empire". (Some yes, but not the most important ones.) The split of the European provinces (f.e. Greece almost a century before the end of the Empire, Bulgaria, Romania, Serbia etc) brought about the end of "Empire". In the "millet" system Arab, Albanian and other muslim communities were not considered separate nationalities and they only achieved independence after the Great War disaster. This article, like many others about the Ottoman Dynasty, needs an open minded joint effort to repair and develop it; without nationalist or "orientalist" approaches and the exotic "Harem" speech... --E4024 (talk) 17:46, 6 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification, please!

Most of these women were of slave origin, due to the need for the House of Osman to maintain its prestige; no other royal house was perceived as being prominent enough to be worth marrying into.

I don't understand this statement, how the other families weren't prominent enough to marry and so the Sultans...married slaves instead? Surely, a good family would make for a better match than a slave. 69.125.134.86 (talk) 19:03, 17 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's been removed, but an explanation is necessary; it was misstated. Ottoman sultans didn't want to dilute the Turkish hold on the sultanate and give excessive power to a royal or powerful father of a queen consort in case the Ottoman sultan died or was incapable of ruling, so they often chose to produce children with non-important women, like slaves. Ithinkicahn (talk) 06:30, 25 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

High court officials were typically slaves for the same reason; eunuchs especially were not potential dynastic rivals; one bit in Philip Mansel's book on Constantinople recounts a British ambassador quizzing one of the minister of state - treasury I think the individual's post was - as to how we could content himself being a slave; his reply was that he would rather be a slave of the sultan, though his head was at risk for any capricious political circumstance, perhaps not of his own fault, than a free man with no power and no status; for slavery did not mean low-status, necessarily, and whether concubines or guards the principle was meritocracy rather than prestige-by-birth; which is how slaves became Sultanas (Hurrem/Roxelana) and also Grand Viziers and Admirals and, of course, the Chief Black Eunuch.Skookum1 (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

content about the politics of this era

I expected to find more details here than the terse article that remains; perhaps the o.r. materials removed had had something about but but as o.r. not cited/accurate....I remember that not much is known due to a lack of chronicles in this era, I can't remember if that had to do with policies/conservatism discouraging the keeping of records or if they were destroyed in one of Constantinople's many great fires....Skookum1 (talk) 17:45, 9 June 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Editing citations

The citations listed for the Leslie P. Peirce books do not provide page numbers, so I have ordered the books in order to correct those citations. Aurgallagher (talk) 17:23, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Lead section

The lead section of this article has very little detail and does not include a set time during which the Sultanate of Women occurred. I intend to clarify the section, increase detail, and clean up the citations. Aurgallagher (talk) 17:25, 22 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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You Guys Literally Took This From The Show

Hurrem Sultan (1534 - 1554) Mihrimah Sultan (1554 - 1570?) Nurbanu Sultan (1570? - 1583) Safiye Sultan (1583 - 1603) Handan Sultan (1603 - 1605) Hümaşah Sultan (1605 - 1606?) Kösem Sultan (1617 - 1651) Turhan Sultan (1651 - ) 78.190.155.102 (talk) 18:01, 17 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]