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The Political Discussion

is suggested by myself. I hope that people see the use of adding the political discussion to the debate as it adds on top of the mere reporting of legal standing which is usually a negative and that, really, suicide has become an increasing interesting topic for many people and and whereof many people thereof lead the advocacy both toward the courts and the legislative assembly, to the political representatives of the legislative power (with the support of the hearing committees, at least as a matter of majority appeal). 62.16.186.124 (talk) 03:33, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Merge issue

I suggested that this article or section be merged with Suicide_and_the_law because they are almost identical and are duplicative.

done a while ago. Gflores ^Talk 19:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

world pov

Are there any laws in the middle east prohibiting attempted suicide? How about other places? This needs more information from other countires. It would be somewhat ironic if the person attempting suicide by hanging was later executed by hanging... Gflores ^Talk 19:33, 3 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Added India. --Anshul 01:48, 7 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

and Singapore AtikuX 02:28, 2 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Capital Crime?

Supposedly, it was a capital offence in England in 1845 to commit suicide. So if the person failed, the law would do it for them! Haven't found a really credible reference for this yet. Student7 01:36, 15 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I've heard the same said about the Soviet Union and E-Germany.

Under English law an attempt at a crime is the same as successfully committing that offence and suicide was the same as murder prior to the 1961 Act,therefore attempted suicide was a capital offence and persons convicted of this offence were hanged.94.197.154.86 (talk) 09:57, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

That's arguably better than getting thrown in a mental hospital. Tisane ^talk/_stalk 10:01, 25 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Smith and Hogan's Criminal Law (13th Edition, OUP, 2011, page 583) says that suicide was a felony and that attempted suicide was a misdemeanour. James500 (talk) 09:11, 18 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

final section (United States)

This section is slightly ambiguous in that it uses both 'suicide' and 'attempted suicide' seemingly interchangeably; making it difficult to determine if the period laws being discussed apply to only one term or both terms simultaneously. Ctoyer (talk) 03:09, 22 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Merging Laws against suicide into this article

Support. Looks like an obvious merger to me. Kaldari (talk) 18:42, 27 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I second that motion. Same topic for the most part. Legislation is a bit more broad, but that's okay, I think. Killfoot (talk) 07:35, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Merger has been completed. Kaldari (talk) 08:03, 10 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Links

>> Mental health gets precedence as India set to de-criminalise suicide(Lihaas (talk) 19:17, 11 December 2013 (UTC)).[reply]

Rome and Japan?

Sure, in Rome, suicide sometimes was a political act. i'm not so sure about Japan, however, not in the sense of a protest against tyranny.

but in Rome, because of Stoicism, it was considered honorable to commit suicide if life became too painful.

and in Japan, people committed suicide if they felt dishonored. samurai committed suicide when their masters died. many committed suicide when the Emperor Meiji died, following him to the grave, and not as protest against the new emperor, his son.

the main article greatly oversimplifies and stereotypes suicide in both societies. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:6:5600:5AC:B0D0:A83B:7B2F:BB59 (talk) 13:40, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Including euthanasia in the tables

@Areatius: I think it's confusing for us to list euthanasia in the new suicide legislation tables. There are many different types of euthanasia (voluntary, non-voluntary, and involuntary), and each type may have different laws affecting it and different legal statuses. If we are going to list euthanasia, it should be limited to voluntary euthanasia and should specify that in the header. Kaldari (talk) 00:02, 19 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide legislation in India

The mental healthcare bill being passed on 27 March 2017, some changes have to be made under the section 'India'. An unregistered editor has made changes in the table, but not in the paragraph; they conflict each other. Vignyana^talk 12:50, 28 March 2017 (UTC)[reply]

United States

I understand that the 50 states and integral territories are separated from the unincorporated territories, but I cannot figure out why the positions of the 50+ are divided into two rows. --Khajidha (talk) 19:48, 7 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Canada section assumes it's 2015

The wording in the section on Canada references 2015 and 2016 events as if they're in the future. So some updating is needed to report what actually happened and to fix the grammar. -- SpareSimian (talk) 17:43, 1 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Renaming table headings to "Physician-assisted suicide" and "Voluntary euthanasia"

In the vast majority of instances what we refer to with "Assisted suicide" is "Physician-assisted suicide" and what we refer to with "Euthanasia" is "Voluntary euthanasia". Therefore I move that the column headings be updated with these labels to reduce ambiguity and add relevance to the table's data. The concept of renaming to "Voluntary euthanasia" was raised 4 years ago without any objections. #Including_euthanasia_in_the_tables Jdee4 (talk) 20:02, 12 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide Legislation in Georgia

The suicide itself is legal in Georgia. There are no fines or imprisonment for attempted suicides. It is incitement to suicide that is illegal. The table and map need to be changed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Marovaso (talk • contribs) 13:44, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Article and map updated. Jdee4 (talk) 20:22, 20 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

988

Just added information regarding 988 Suicide & Crisis Lifeline to the United States section, please tell me if I made a mistake. Traanarchist (talk) 19:44, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Portugal

Portugal should be coloured the same as Spain since it legalized it in 2023 85.187.219.218 (talk) 22:01, 3 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Australia

As it says in this Wikipedia its legal in all states of Australia except the territories so all the states should be coloured blue 85.187.219.218 (talk) 21:10, 7 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

United Kingdom - military law

Suicide was never a statutory criminal offence. [...] Posthumous punishment stopped in the 19th century, and appetite for punishing survivors of suicide attempts waned until this was decriminalised by the passing of the Suicide Act 1961 and the Criminal Justice Act (Northern Ireland) 1966; these same acts made it an offence to assist in a suicide.

Something I stumbled across today: there was a statutory offence, but under military law, not civil. Various iterations of the Army Act appear to have covered attempted suicide; the original 1881 Act covered attempted suicide under s. 38(2) - the same section as duels! - and made it clearly distinct from its coverage of self-inflicted wounding in s. 40. I think this remained the case until the 1955 Act which overhauled the whole system, and after that it was handled as a matter to be referred to civil jurisdiction if it arose.

I have had trouble finding any stats on whether this was frequently raised, but the Manual of Military Law (1914 ed) has an explanatory note on when this charge should be brought and it seems to be marked as part of the revisions added in that edition, so presumably it was not seen as completely obsolete.

Possibly a bit minor to mention in the text, but given I'd looked it up it seemed worth noting here at least Andrew Gray (talk) 21:39, 10 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Needs update and secondary sources

The is out of date. Since the last update in 2022, four countries have decriminalized suicide: Guyana, Pakistan, Malaysia, and Ghana.^[1] Additionally, this kind of list needs to be backed with secondary sources, not legislative text. Legal prose needs expert understanding to summarize, and it may include provisions which have been deemed unenforceable by a constitutional court. –LaundryPizza03 (d c̄) 04:15, 11 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/9/10/from-ghana-to-guyana-hope-mounts-in-fight-against-suicide-criminalisation

DPRK

The information on the DPRK needs to either be changed or to come from a source other than Radio Free Asia, which is openly an outlet for US government propaganda. I don't doubt that a statement condemning suicide may have been made, but this does not prove that legal penalties exist for attempted suicide. 76.33.134.160 (talk) 07:22, 27 October 2024 (UTC)[reply]

[1] ttps://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2023/9/10/from-ghana-to-guyana-hope-mounts-in-fight-against-suicide-criminalisation

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