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Sub Zero (Mortal Kombat) and Glacius (Killer Instinct) Similarities

Has anyone noticed the similarities between these two fighting game characters? For example, Glacius had frozen arms before Sub Zero did, their arm design is very similar. In Deadly Alliance and Deception, Sub Zero has a sliding shoulder tackle technique called "Cold Shoulder", this technique (including it's name) was first used by Glacius in Killer Instinct for the SNES.

I seem to recall MK coming out before KI, so while some later designs may be somewhat reminiscient, SZ definitely is not based upon Glacius. Pointing out similarities means nothing without a citation from a designer as to the intent, because most VG characters are stock anyways (not to mention it's OR).

I wasn't trying to do original research on this matter, I just wanted to know if anyone else has noticed these similarities. The original Killer Instinct 2 arcade machine had Midway (MK's company) as it's sponser so it may have been possible that the creators of both games knew eachother and discussed character designs but this is just a theory of mine. Another note is that one of Midway's forum administrators calls himself Cinder (see Khameleon, read the "Possible Future" section), the name of one of Killer Instinct's characters.

As I mentioned on Blaze's talk page, someone's screenname is hardly a connection. Even if Cinder himself did take it from the KI character, that is a personal choice, not some indication that the MK and KI universes pull from each other. EVula 19:04, 19 October 2006 (UTC)

Glacius = Sub-Zero. XD -Mkrox —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mkrox (talk • contribs) 22:50, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

If this is the way we're all heading, then you might as well start saying that Iceman inspired both Sub-Zero and Glacius. And that Cinder is a cheap ripoff of the Human Torch. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.164.124.200 (talk) 04:21, 27 May 2010 (UTC)

Elder Sub-Zero information merged with Noob Saibot

Goes without saying that info about one character should be relegated to one character's article. This thing was ridiculously long.

As well, I've removed the paragraphs concerning Sub-Zero's allies and enemies, as they were essentially re-tellings of those characters' bios.

I think this thing still needs work though. It's merged all the MK: Deception endings into the storyline section as if they're confirmed. That needs to be fixed.Shadaloo 08:16, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

This is a perfect example of the fundamental flaw behind the in-universe perspective. First of all, the old Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot were originally separate characters until Deception came and retconned Noob Saibot's origins. These articles should reflect on that fact instead of attempting on creating a fictional biography of the character. Jonny2x4 18:03, 28 December 2006 (UTC)
I agree, we should make a page for his younger brother, OR, we can merge all Elder Sub-Zero info into Noob Saibot and this page is about the second one, and link to each other as Noob Saibot's says This article is about the first Sub-Zero, for the Second one see Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat) and the other way around for Sub-Zero. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.163.244 (talk) 17:41, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

This discussion continues in the section named Split second Sub-Zero's section into an article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.163.244 (talk) 17:45, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

The Mortal Kombat Malibu comics

It's a firmly established fact that the only things other than the games that's part of the canon storyline are the MKI, II and 4 comics created by John Tobias. The Malibu comics such as Blood & Thunder, Battlewave, etc. are not. Who the hell added that stuff? Shadaloo 18:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

5 and 6??

What on OUTWORLD are we basing this "Sub-Zero V" and "Sub-Zero VI" nonsense on? Now, I will admit I haven't played ALL the games, but the ones I've played give no reference whatsoever to a preceding four Sub-Zeroes. I've not seen such a reference in the movies or the episodes of Conquest I've seen. However, I should point out that the movies, Conquest and Defenders of the Realm are NOT canon, as you'll note from the fact they ignore and change one hell of a lot.

Is this something taken from the games or the comic books? If it is and someone can provide proof of this then I will gladly accept it as a worthy inclusion. If it's just fancruft, it has no place here. I have to say, I've searched around and I can't find anything concrete. Please, I'm actually begging to be proven wrong here, I don't WANT to delete something if it's right! But fancruft does not belong on Wikipedia and I'll gladly remove the V and VI references if there's nothing official behind them. I'll equally gladly ensure that we at least keep "Sub-Zero the Elder" and "Sub-Zero the Younger" or "Sub-Zero (former)" and "Sub-Zero (current)" because I do believe it's still necessary to differentiate between the two characters.

All I'm asking is for someone to cite the source that "we know" there have been 4 other Sub-Zeroes.

Someone please prevent my head from exploding! --L T Dangerous 21:17, 19 November 2005 (UTC)

They're just nicknames given by the fans.
I've just removed all such references. I might go back later and add a section about the notion that they are #5 and #6. It may be fancruft, but it's very popular and widespread fancruft so it at least needs acknowledging, just showing it's untrue. --L T Dangerous 18:48, 13 January 2006 (UTC)
It's not just fancruft. The information about them being fifth and sixth generation Lin Kuei comes from the Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero instruction manual. Even if it's the only mention, it isn't disproven by anything else in the games. Shadaloo 17:52, 21 January 2006 (UTC)
If someone had told me that before I'd not have altered the whole article. I don't have the game and couldn't find anything about it elsewhere, so I wasn't aware of the manual's contents. --L T Dangerous 17:11, 31 January 2006 (UTC)
Those nicknames are based on the information which is in both MKM instruction manual and MKM official website. Dmr2hn1 17:05 08.05.2007

Size of page

This page is getting really rather long. Does anyone else feel it should be split into "Sub-Zero (elder)" and "Sub-Zero (younger)"? --L T Dangerous 18:50, 13 January 2006 (UTC)


I think it's absurd that this much information exists about a video game character, and one from a fighting game none the less.63.226.218.11 03:49, 18 January 2006 (UTC)

The character has existed for over a decade and has a vast backstory. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you the right to be so parochial and close-minded. --L T Dangerous 17:12, 31 January 2006 (UTC)

I think perhaps Elder Sub-Zero should be merged with Noob Saibot. Shadaloo 18:00, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

"Kori Frost?"

Where does it ever, ever, ever say that Sub-Zero the elder's real name is Kori Frost? Jeff Silvers 03:03, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

Or Kory Frost, which it appears to have been changed to. Jeff Silvers 05:23, 23 January 2006 (UTC)
Nowhere. That's garbage. Fixed. Shadaloo 07:43, 24 January 2006 (UTC)
And fixed again. Can't this be reported as vandalism? Shadaloo 21:35, 25 January 2006 (UTC)
That's BS! You can't just make up names and say it's Sub-Zero! It is vandalism —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.163.244 (talk) 17:55, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

First Image?

The first image on the side of the page is from Shaolin Monks right? Isn't that Subzero the one that becomes Noob? And if so shouldn't it be moved to his page? Merc25 1:18, 15 April 2006

Nope, that is the current Sub-Zero. Noob is the one featured in MK1.--Agent Aquamarine 22:59, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Disambiguation

This should be made part of a disambiguation page, as Sub-Zero is also the brand name used for home appliances made by the corporation of the same name.—Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.86.234.153 (talk • contribs)

If there are articles written about them, then I'll make it into a disambig page. Otherwise it wouldn't make sense to create a disambig page for a single term. Virogtheconq 23:39, 14 June 2006 (UTC)
There are articles about them. Unclear why this should be the main page for sub zero. Disambig makes sense. Justinpwilsonadvocate 15:42, 12 July 2006 (UTC)

Trivia Problems

This stated twice

  • Sub-Zero is the only character to appear in every single main Mortal Kombat title, whether it be the younger or older of the brothers. Excluding Mortal Kombat: Special Forces, one of the two Sub-Zero's appears in all other Mortal Kombat titles.

Also, this sentence is misleading. It is unknown what will be revealed in Armageddon, yet the article uses will.

  • Fans have often speculated that Frost may be Sub-Zero's sister who he was taken from as a child, as they are both Cryomancers and no other mention of his sister has been made. Whether or not this is true will be revealed in the upcoming Mortal Kombat: Armageddon.

I'm not going to change anything, but thought I would put it in discussion.


  • What the hell are you going on about? Sub-Zero IS going to be in Armageddon because every Mortal Kombat character that has ever thrown a punch, even meat, is gonna' be in the game. To think that Sub' isn't gonna' be in it would mean you are either naive, misinformed, new to Mortal Kombat or just stupid.

As for the Frost bit, that is only fan speculation, no one has said that Frost is Sub's sister, it is just theories. --The Haunted Angel 23:37, 27 June 2006 (UTC)

I didn;t mean the part about her being his sister, I meant that it says it will be revealed in Mortal Kombat: Armegeddon. It needs to be reworded because it is unknown if if she is or isn't his sister will actually be revealed. 24.91.155.84 02:13, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Just a quick question is Sub-zero a high tier or low tier character

New Trivia and Pics

Just uploaded an excellent pic of Sub-Zero and some trivia info about him.

Should information about his movie appearance be here instead of in the Noob article?

I know that in the games, the original Sub-zero is actually Noob Saibot. But the movie changes the storyline, and it doesn't mention Sub being Noob. So shouldn't the movie info be here instead of in the Noob article? For people who don't play the games often, and want to look up the movie Sub, they will be looking here. They won't think to look in the Noob article.MentosC 22:47, 26 May 2007 (UTC)

Reference for Sub-Zero's parents

Where does it say that Sub-Zero's mother was caucasion and his father secretly took his sons to China against her will? Is this fan fiction or is it stated somewhere I haven't looked?

The Z in Sub-zero capitalized?

I believe this is a mistake, since it is part of the name and it has been showed on numerous games to be shown spelled using all capital letters, why is the S and Z only capititlized? I believe the first letter should only be capititlized to fit with rules of grammar, but this is just me. Subzerosmokerain (talk) 22:55, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Well, you have a point about it being in all caps everywhere, but right on worldscollide.com, he's referred to as "Sub-Zero" (click "Features"). I don't think it's violating any grammar rules, though it's not like they've cared about grammar in the past (for example, "c" becoming "k" in absolutely everything). EVula // talk // ☯ // 23:02, 23 July 2008 (UTC)
Right, right. I also have seen in the more modern bios in Mortalkombatwarehouse in being the S and Z capitalized. It is in the MK:DA,and MK:D bios and the MKDA, MKD, and MKA endings. So never mind for this topic. Case Closed. Subzerosmokerain (talk) 23:08, 23 July 2008 (UTC)

Noob Saibot retcon

Honestly this, article needs to cover both versions of Sub-Zero depicted in the series, not just the younger one, and the Noob Saibot article needs to cover only the Noob Saibot character exclusively, mentioning the Sub-Zero retcon where its revelant (in Deception). As it is right now, having the Elder Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot in one article reinforces an in-universe perspective, which goes against WP:WAF policy. Jonny2x4 (talk) 14:30, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

You're correct in implying that a real-world perspective should be used in writing these articles (but you shouldn't confuse a guideline for policy - WP:WAF is a guideline). However, an in-universe perspective isn't why this information is placed where it currently is. In a manner that's relevant here, the basic dictionary definition of a character is "a person in a work of fiction", and the development of a character includes a storyline. Because of that, there are three characters relevant to this discussion - Two characters both called Sub-Zero, and one called Noob Saibot. The second Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot were developed as characters separate from the first Sub-Zero, when they were both introduced, in MKII. The fact that Noob Saibot's storyline didn't include the first Sub-Zero until MK: Deception isn't relevant here. The development of two separate characters - The first Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot - became the development of one single character. Since there is no article about the first Sub-Zero, information on that character belongs in the article about the character that they became, not the character that they never were. RobWill80 (talk) 02:12, 10 September 2008 (UTC)
True, and I agree with you to some extent. But you have to keep in mind that Sub-Zero is also a video game character. Particularly a fighting game character. The younger Sub-Zero, despite being a substitute for the original in MK II, essentially plays just like the original character. A reader who isn't knowledgeable of the characters' backstories is going to be confused when he reads that Mortal Kombat II was Sub-Zero's first appearance. "Wasn't he in Mortal Kombat I". Considering Link, a video game character who has several different incarnations (the original, A Link to the Past, Ocarina of Time, ect.), yet they're all conveniently covered in one article, I think this article needs to take this approach too. Jonny2x4 (talk) 02:13, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
You can't judge a video game character simply by how they play, because it wouldn't be a true assessment of the finished product. Also, if you assume that a person would read the infobox upon finding this article, and then choose to ignore the rest of the page, how would they eliminate the confusion that you described? Disambiguation text at the beginning of an article is meant to try that in one go. Perhaps the same text here could be better phrased? By the way, Link isn't really in the same vein as Sub-Zero, as characters go. It would make sense to put all of Link's "incarnations" into one article, as any characteristic of one of them applies to them all. And as far as I'm aware, no version of Link has been used to fulfil a different role in the series. The same isn't true here. RobWill80 (talk) 22:53, 13 September 2008 (UTC)
This article should cover all versions of the character. While WP:WAF is a guideline, at least it's an official Wikipedia guideline. What guideline or policy supports adhering to an in-universe division of content? --Jtalledo (talk) 00:29, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

There, I hope I pulled it off. The article is now about Sub-Zero in both his versions, as it should. Perhaps in-universe the first Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot are the same character, but in reality (ie, game-wise and disregarding the storyline) they're not. I also trimmed the Noob Saibot article to keep only the information regarding the character while he was actually named Noob Saibot. Sub-Zero's mention in the Mortal Kombat (game) article now links here too. --uKER (talk) 17:36, 10 November 2009 (UTC)

Rename?

I have seen that the name "Sub-Zero" occupies "subzero" article. And that is correct. But, also have seen that we have two redirects with the same names: Sub-zero and Sub-Zero. Hmm... Should we move current article's title to Sub-Zero (taked one of them) and added upper that its an article about fictional character of Mortal Kombat Universe. For other uses, see Subzero.? 91.77.94.102 (talk) 03:23, 6 December 2008 (UTC)

I think that's a good idea. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.163.244 (talk) 17:48, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Fictional video game character

Even though it is stated in the video game character article that video game characters are fictional people/things/characters, I have deliberately added the "fictional" link in front of video game character, does anyone have any objections? This might prove useful so that we can take off that "work of fiction" tag that this page has been tagged with. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 22:13, 25 March 2009 (UTC)

Split second sub Zero's section in to an article

I believe since the second sub zero is more famous (he's sub-zero in all the sequel games, While the first one is Noob saibot.), therefore I think giving the first one an article (Noob Saibot) we should give the second one an article, Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sub-Zero Blue (talk • contribs) 00:16, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

That would be adhering to in-universe info which I believe violate WP:MOS. On Wikipedia we tell the history of the character as it appears objectively that means anyone with the name Sub-Zero in Mortal Kombat comes into this article. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 02:11, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Well we could give him an article anyway because he has a bigger role as Sub-Zero. And this article could become an article about it's creation and role in the games while the other two articles could be about the one character specifically. Noob Saibot would be about the first Sub-Zero, who later becomes Noob and the Sub-Zero article about his brother be about his appearances in the franchise. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.255.163.244 (talk) 17:25, 22 January 2011 (UTC)

Nope, can't happen. Sub-Zero as an idea in this article adheres to notability rather than if it is included with Noob Saibot. What you're doing right now is violating WP:WAF#Real-world Perspective. It's basically a copy/paste and should be avoided. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 00:30, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Two new articles?

He does have a point though. See: Robin, several characters took that guise, the same is with Sub-Zero. Two characters took the name. So this is more accurate, we keep this page but we make articles for the characters who took the guise Sub-Zero also. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soko maya (talk • contribs) 03:22, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I'm also against. See Transformers' characters articles for examples of how it's done. Characters with the same name, even being different characters in-universe, are described in the same article. --uKER (talk) 03:28, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
I think there should be articles titled Bi-Han and Kuai Liang (Mortal Kombat) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soko maya (talk • contribs) 19:36, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
Most certainly not. Characters are to be listed by their most-known name, and in this case, them sharing their well-known name, they are to be in the same article. --uKER (talk) 21:11, 8 February 2011 (UTC)
What about the Dick Grayson and Jason Todd articles. They were Robin but they have articles. Atleast for Bi-Han. Bi-Han is both Sub-Zero and later Noob Saibot. Instead of two articles for one character. They should be an article about the individual.

Elder Sub-Zero section and Noob Saibot article merge into an article called Bi-Han accessible from this page. I suggest an article for the younger one. Also This article should be about the development of the character. But I need to know what you think. Example: Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat) and Noob Saibot

A Summary

The Sub-Zero article stays.

The first Sub-Zero/Noob Saibot was split into two articles Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)#Bi-Han and Noob Saibot. Those articles/sections should be merged into an article titled Bi-Han.

The second Sub-Zero should also get an article titled Kuai Liang (Mortal Kombat).

The article Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat) would stay but would have main articles.

You don't get it. First, as another editor said, the first Sub-Zero and Noob-Saibot being the same character is an in-universe fact, and Wikipedia shouldn't go by that. In real life, there's one character named Sub-Zero (which in-universe had two facets) and another character named Noob Saibot. Wikipedia currently reflects that and that's the way it should stay. About creating Bi-Han and Kuai-Liang articles, it makes no sense whatsoever. Nobody knows those names, and the amount data on each character (actually in the corresponding sections in the Sub-Zero article) isn't even close to meriting a split of the article. --uKER (talk) 00:50, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
I believe this fits the bill for WP:SPA because this discussion has come up multiple times but has been refuted by citation of Wikirules and policies. We look at characters as they would be said in the real-world, he is Sub-Zero to everyone else and that's how the promotion and reception will gear toward. Such as Master Chief and Rufus (Street Fighter). Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 01:10, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Well you do have a point. I didn't know Sub-Zero was Noob Saibot until my friend told me. Still I wasn't a big fan of MK then. Now I am because the new game's coming out. Still I think you should discuss it with other users as well, see what others think. Then the time will come for a change, or not. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.64.31 (talk) 02:58, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Think about Robin. Five people took the guise but you made articles for the guise Robin and the ones who took the mantle of Robin like Dick Grayson and Jason Todd. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.70.64.31 (talk) 03:04, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
First of all, Dick Grayson and Jason Todd aren't just Robin. If they were (as is the case with Kuai Liang, who is only Sub-Zero) they would only appear in the "Robin" article. That is, unless there was enough information on them to merit a split, which is NOT the case with any of the two Sub-Zeros. --uKER (talk) 14:11, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Think though

That might change in the new game.

Plus!, Bi-Han was not only Sub-Zero but later Noob Saibot. I think we should combine the info on the elder Sub-Zero with Noob Saibot and make an article titled Bi-Han. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soko maya (talk • contribs) 20:43, 9 February 2011 (UTC)

Again, no. Those characters are the same in-universe. In real life they're separate ones, and furthermore, nobody knows their Bi-Han and Kuai Liang names. --uKER (talk) 22:45, 9 February 2011 (UTC)
Well, who the hecks gonna look this stuff up anyway. And if they do, they learn something new. So seriously I think it's a good idea to have an article about the individual himself and his time as Sub-Zero and Noob Saibot and have main articles linking to these pages, at least. I'm not making you do it. I'm just suggesting what you should do.

So here's the new idea. What keep the articles Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat)#Bi-Han and Noob Saibot but we can make the article Bi-Han linking to these pages. Kinda like a disambiguation page. Good idea? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soko maya (talk • contribs) 01:08, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

Because there's no point in creating it, no one would search for Bi Han, and even then the name is mentioned in the Sub-Zero article already so people are going to be led to the Sub-Zero article. Since there's already a sub-section named Bi Han (which by the way no one has contested to the subsections having their particular names), it's superflous to have article on each Sub-Zero. We have Sub-Zero to cover Sub-Zero the younger and elder and we have Noob Saibot to cover all things Noob Saibot. That's it. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 02:10, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

The Bi-Han article should continue to be a redirect to the corresponding section in Sub-Zero (Mortal Kombat) as it was. There's no need to create an almost empty article that only repeats information already existent in this article. Not to mention that the article itself is in an in-universe perspective. --uKER (talk) 02:17, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
Agreed. It should be established that Sub-Zero is the WP:COMMON NAME and should be the main article while redirects for Bi Han and Kuai Liang should come back here. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 02:20, 10 February 2011 (UTC)
I actually think the Noob Saibot article is good enough. The elder Sub-Zero is Noob Saibot. If people want more info about the elder Sub-Zero, they should go to Noob Saibot. I think that closes this case.

Article Split?

Even though, I still think this article should be split into Elder Sub-Zero and Younger Sub-Zero accessible from this page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Soko maya (talk • contribs) 05:03, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

No, we can't that would be splitting by in-universe style which would violate WP:MOS. We need to keep it real-world. Even if it makes the article large we don't need to worry about it because the memory sizes are the official's problems. All we have to do is improve the articles in Wikipedia not split them whenever one person deems it necessary. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 17:43, 10 February 2011 (UTC)

General note:

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Quotes

Should there be a quotes section for his in-game quotes in Mortal Kombat X, Mortal Kombat 11, and past MK games? I feel that would be productive or is that just me? 2601:5C7:4100:3600:C4B4:498B:F4B6:3AA0 (talk) 14:41, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Not here - that's what Wikiquote is for. Searching for "Sub Zero" in WQ already brings back a few results. Chaheel Riens (talk) 15:15, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Thank you for telling that to me. 2601:5C7:4100:3600:B16A:E8D:845D:D381 (talk) 16:57, 25 November 2022 (UTC)

Sub-Zero isn't chinese

The Mythology of Mortal Kombat's cannon make explicit mention about nacionality of both Sub-Zero's: They were born in America, and they're American citizens, not chineses. If this isn't good enough, they haven't nacionality nor status legal 'cause ther were stolen of his family.200.104.215.248 (talk) 00:17, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Might need to pass WP:Verifiability.Tintor2 (talk) 01:38, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

Source (canonical and official) - Mortal Kombat Mythologies: Sub-Zero Expanded History - Sub-Zero and the Lin Kuei: "Born in America, Sub-Zero was the oldest of three children, which included a brother and sister. Their mother wanted a normal life for her sons, who had already been chosen by the Lin Kuei to become warriors for the clan. She tried in vein to hide them from their father whose own life in America was only a cover for his true identity and purpose. Eventually they were found and their father returned with them to his homeland. Their mother and sister were never seen or heard from again". 200.104.215.248 (talk) 20:44, 1 August 2020 (UTC)

nonsense. Sub-Zero is Chinese, while his opponent, Scorpion is Japanese. In-Game philosophy from Mortal Kombat Series states that he is from an Outworld Race, but his Clan originated and he himself lived in China before Kuai Liang moved the headquarters to Arctika. 2601:5C7:4100:3600:B16A:E8D:845D:D381 (talk) 16:56, 25 November 2022 (UTC)
Also nonsense. Though Sub-Zero is descendant (not "from"), the character is (and always has been) a human. In the context (not "philosophy" nor anything like that), in the cannon Sub-Zero dont have any nationality, even american or chinese, because the John Tobias first official comic establishes that he "don't have status legal". So, there is a very great difference between facts and "just In-Game philosophy'". 2800:150:153:2E47:8174:8629:8F7D:DEFC (talk) 02:09, 2 December 2022 (UTC)

Article subject and characters

Not saying this should be done, but given that up until recently, two separate characters have acted as Sub-Zero, Bi-Han and then Kuai Liang, with the former having also acted as Noob Saibot, and the latter being depicted as Scorpion in Mortal Kombat 1 in place of Hanzo Hasashi, should these articles be restructured based on the characters' given names and have two separate articles for the two brothers? PanagiotisZois (talk) 13:08, 22 June 2024 (UTC)

Usually in Mortal Kombat games they are notably known by the title like "Sub-Zero", "Scorpion", "Reptile" etc instead of their real names. Also there seem to be not enough sources for the two brothers to have their own separate articles. Although I suggest Noob Saibot should be merged in this article because he plays a major role in Sub-Zero's backstory and history. Kazama16 (talk) 17:55, 30 June 2024 (UTC)
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