Talk:Street medic

Contraind?

I took out the statement that they don't use interventions with contraindications because that's patently false: CPR is contraindicated in a patient with a heartbeat, for example. I don't think my wording is too good either, however. Maybe someone oughtta write the Do no harm article or word it better. Also, the link to Bivens' article is broken. Delldot 04:09, 13 November 2005 (UTC)

Major edit

This entry is in the middle of a big edit right now, and I don't know when it will be finished. Please help with dates, verification citations, and information, and remind me of any groups I have left out which should be included.

I reformatted the whole article, including a split of the original article into intro, what they do, and history sections.

I added pre-1999 history.

I am beginning a process of adding short sections on each group, including each group's lifespan and activity span, notable actions it participated in, and other things of note. All content must be verifiable. I am including names in the references section, but nowhere else in the article. This is to protect confidentiality. Feel free to remove your own name or ask me to remove your name if you don't want it in the article at all.

I fixed the broken link in the Bivens article, and added several new articles. I plan to remove the news artilces section as the artilces are incorporated into references.

Two questions:

• Does Heartland Action Medical Resistance Rogues (HAMRR) of Bloomington, IL actually exist? I remember the one medic I knew who claimed membership talking about it a few years ago, but have never seen its name on anything but a 2003 training CSM / "HAMRR" / CAM training in Chicago. Or is it like my old group VAM!, who are all swell people, but only did really notable things with other groups (other than one OtG / MaydayDC / VAM! training in Hadley MA, 2002).
• Can anybody get me information on the lifespan and activity span of Strassenmeditzin from good old Deutschland? They have so much stuff on their website, including a big first-aid manual, and a hint that they help train and equip groups throughout Germany, but the local groups link on their page is broken. Come on now, UK medics. I know y'all know them. Post, post!

I want to redirect searched for "Street medics, StreetMedic, StreetMedics, Action Medical, Action-medic, and so on to this page, but I don't know how.

Gobblehook 09:32, 24 October 2006 (UTC)
formerly of HODOG/VAM! (2001-2003), CUM (2003), TRAM (2003-2005)
currently CGHC (2005-)

No original research

I think I am violating the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy by including the unpublished interviews as sources. However, I want this entry to be as complete as possible. I want medics, protesters, and others to actually use it. I also want to put up information on all the important groups since 1968 which are currently preserved only in medic oral history and by packrats like me.

So here's my idea about how to do it. I conduct a series of short, fact-finding interviews with key medics to fill in the missing historical details. I use these details plus a few anecdotes to write a short series on street medic history, that I get published at FreeVoices or Infoshop, or another easy publish.

Then I cite my own articles. It seems to me from reading the pillars and policies that this course of action would be appropriate as long as I adhere to a Neutral POV. Somebody check me on this? Thanks.

Gobblehook 10:17, 24 October 2006 (UTC)

I think you then would introduce a conflict of interest, but if you can get them published in reliable sources (i.e., those with an established editorial process, vs. just you sticking them on a website somewhere) that can be overcome. Jclemens (talk) 18:24, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

AfD

This article alot of issues and highest among them is it violates wiki's WP:N and WP:V guild lines. Along with those problems it is has a very biased opinion and not holding to WP:NPOV Medicellis (talk) 14:18, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

So, there are a couple of problems with this...

1. You used the WP:SPEEDY deletion process, instead of the WP:AfD process
2. In doing so, you failed to note the specific reason for the speedy. I think A7 is the closest proper criteria, but...
3. The article asserts its own notability, thus failing A7, and so it should not be speedily deleted.

Overall, I recommend that an admin decline speedy, and that you open an AfD for this. Having said that, if one is opened, I will vote to keep the article, based on the Boston Phoenix reference. It needs work, the oral histories are not citable, and so forth, but it fundamentally appears to be a topic worthy of inclusion. Jclemens (talk) 18:08, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Speedy declined, and I think it will survive without major issues if it goes to AFD. SchuminWeb (Talk) 18:19, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Agreed; it needs more referencing but such references do exist. delldot talk 22:09, 1 July 2008 (UTC)

Old further reading section to potentially be mined for sources

Here's the old "Further reading" section that was horribly bloated and preventing this article from getting the expansion it needs. Hopefully we can mine it for sources to use as in-text citations... SchuminWeb (Talk) 15:21, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

Further reading

• Medical Committee for Human Rights - Short description of MCHR, the 1960s-era parent organization to the street medics. This page includes a facsimile of the 9 page orientation manual issued to volunteers in 1966.
• Frank, A et al (1969-01-30). "Medical problems of civil disorders. Organization of a volunteer group of health professionals to provide medical services in a riot." New England Journal of Medicine 280(5):247-53
• Schneider, Edward L. & the Metropolitan Washington Chapter of the Medical Committee for Human Rights (1971-07). "The Organization and Delivery of Medical Care During the Mass Anti-War Demonstration at the Ellipse in Washington, D.C. on May 9, 1970." American Journal of Public Health 61(7):1434-1442
• Hayman CR & Berkeley MJ (1971-10). "Health care for war demonstrators in Washington, April-May, 1971. A comparison with the riot and "Resurrection City" of 1968." The Medical Annals of the District of Colombia 40(10):633-7
• Organizers Manual Collective (1971). The Organizer's Manual. Bantam Books
• International Liberation School (1972). Beat the heat: a radical survival handbook, pp. 6, 188, 231. Ramparts Press. ISBN 0-8786-7025-4
• Rosenfield, David A, et al (1974). "Supplying Health Care to Nondelegates During 1972 National Political Conventions." Public Health Reports 89(4):365-371
• Source, inc (1974). Organizing for health care: a tool for change. Beacon Press. ISBN 0-8070-2179-2
• Compton, Jim (2000-08-07). "Dr. Ron Rosen Interview." WTO Accountability Review Committee
• Compton, Jim (2000-08-08). "Pavlos Stavropolous Interview." WTO Accountability Review Committee
• Szego, Rachel (2001). "Toward Compassion: Reflections on NYC, An EMT/Action Medic Returning from Mass Destruction." Maximum rocknroll, Issue 223
• Marquis, Sean (2001) "Tens of thousands march against G8 in Italy: Activist fatally shot by police; dozens assaulted in raid on media center." Asheville Global Report, No. 132
• Bivens, Matt. "The Street Medics", The Nation. Posted on BALM website.
• Ontarion, Paula Bialski (2002-01-09). "Taking it to the streets: Volunteer medics take over where the health care system leaves off." The Manitoban
• (2002-05-30) "Street Medic Sentenced to 6 Months in Jail for Working at a Protest." Democracy Now!
• Ritter, Dominique (2002-09-19). "Masks on: A study by a street medic suggests long-term effects of tear gas," Montreal Mirror.
• Dominick, Brian (Winter 2002) "Toward an Anti-Capitalist Globe: We Know Why, the Question Is How?," ("Contusions" - final section of paper). New Politics, vol. 8, no. 4
• Notes from Nowhere (2003). We are everywhere: the irresistible rise of global anticapitalism, pp. 374-375, 513. Verso. ISBN 1-8598-4447-2
• Norman, Forrest (2003-12-04). "Dangerous Medicine", Miami New Times online
• "Meet the BALM Squad"
• Shorrock, Tim (2006-03). "The Street Samaritans", Mother Jones Magazine
• DeRose, Jason (2005-09-23). "Anarchists Providing Medical Aid in New Orleans", National Public Radio (Day-to-Day)
• Stern, Rachel Judith (March 2007) "Street medics, their history, and their philosophy" (pp 61-65), "Anarchism and street medics" (pp 65-68), "Street medicine/ anarchism as conditions for alternative discourse" (pp 68-69) in "This is Solidarity," Not Biomedicine: The Common Ground Health Clinic and Discursive Intervention in Racial and Ethnic Health Inequalities. BA Thesis: Harvard College
• (2008-01-22) "Portland street "medic" talks about her profession when on duty at the Bush protest in Bellevue, Washington." Paramedic TV
• Sirr, Rebecca Trotzky (2008-09-08). Dissonant Democracy: Protest, Brutality and Healing at the RNC," ("Part Two: Health Care at the RNC," "Part Three: Brutality - Are We Safe?"). Toward Freedom
• Horne, Jed (2008). Breach of Faith: Hurricane Katrina and the Near Death of a Great American City, pp. 223-228. Random House. ISBN 0-8129-7650-9
• Fernandez, Luis A. (2008). Policing dissent: social control and the anti-globalization movement. Rutgers University Press. pp. 64-65. ISBN 0-8135-4215-4
• Price, Erin (2009-09-23). "Protestors demonstrate first-aid skills." Point Park News Service
• Chase, Tabitha Fringe (2006-05-08). "This is what FBI harassment looks like."

"And is now strictly only water"

I'm a street medic active in NW Oregon. Portland Action Medics still use LAW and street medic organizations in the PNW, such as Rosehip based in Portland, still use LAW. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:1C1:8700:1780:7D56:DC97:59B5:F84B (talk) 06:49, 22 June 2020 (UTC)

Neutrality question

In the section on the interaction with law enforcement, the section ends with the simple statement "While combat medics on battlefields are protected by First Geneva Convention and must not be attacked while providing first aid, there is no agreement how should street medics be treated by law enforcement officers." However in the "Street Medic Handbook", on pg 81, it says clearly "When acting as medics, we remain completely neutral." Based on this, perhaps the statement should be edited to add in that the medics own handbook on behavior, training, and procedures, does state that a level of neutrality, and noninvolvement in protests, is expected to be maintained. Further establishing the practice is done to better protect their actions from law enforcement operations.

[1]https://mutualaiddisasterrelief.org/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/kupdf.net_street-medic-handbook.pdf 2601:346:27E:53E0:959D:C01B:311F:9BC (talk) 07:08, 18 August 2024 (UTC)