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Did you know nomination

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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 21:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Stray cow on a busy street in Varanasi
Stray cow on a busy street in Varanasi
  • ... that the local farmers released hundreds of cattle at the venue for an election rally in India to highlight the menace of the stray cows in the area.Source: "Farmers in Uttar Pradesh's Barabanki, just 40 km from Lucknow, reportedly released hundreds of cattle at an open ground near the venue of a rally by Chief Minister Yogi Adityanath earlier today to highlight the stray cattle menace in their area."NDTV
    • ALT1 ... that deadly attacks by stray cows was an election issue in India? Source: "Uttar Pradesh: Why deadly cow attacks are an issue in Indian state election". BBC News. 25 January 2022. Retrieved 23 February 2022.
    • ALT2 ... that India had spent ₹5.8 billion (US$69 million) on shelters for stray cows in between the years 2014 and 2016. Source: "India has spent 5.8 billion rupees on cow sheds since 2014" July 17, 2016, "Cow urine can sell for more than milk in India". Bloomberg.com. 2016-07-18. Retrieved 2016-09-18.
    • ALT3 ... that the owner of a stray cow no longer claims ownership or its owner cannot be determined. Source: "Stray cattle means any animal of the bovine, ovine, porcine, or caprine species for which the owner is no longer claiming ownership or for which the owner cannot be determined, Lawinsider
    • ALT4: ... that stray cattle in India cause road accidents frequently?
    • ALT5: ... that one stray cow caused chaos at an airport in Ahmedabad, India?
    • ALT6: ... that a cow tax failed to address the problem of stray cattle in India?
    • ALT7: ... that India has over 5 million stray cows?
    • QPQ : Exempt
    • Comment: Will think of more ALTs and add.

Created by Venkat TL (talk). Self-nominated at 11:59, 23 February 2022 (UTC).[reply]

General: Article is new enough and long enough

Policy compliance:

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation

Image eligibility:

QPQ: None required.

Overall: The article is new enough, long enough and looks to be well sourced. It looks like qpq is not required, and there's no copyvio on earwig. All of the hooks are cited and interesting (I made a minor word tweak to ALT1). The pic is free and in the article, but its a bit crowded at 100px, so a different picture might be better. The only other issue is that it needs some minor copyediting for neutrality and grammar. BuySomeApples (talk) 21:33, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BuySomeApples, I have added the pics in the order of my preference and 100px to make it easier for the reviewer to choose. Caption is in the article. I had used the pic of crowded street to show the dangerous situation, when the animal can turn on the crowd at any moment, and they do infarct turn on the people nearby, depending on mood swings. If the pic is not clear at 100px, I am fine with choosing other pics. Your copy edits have been very helpful. I hope that it has fixed the neutrality issue you had pointed. Venkat TL (talk) 08:22, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you @Venkat TL: I think either of the top 2 pics would work fine. Once a second reviewer OKs the page this should be ready to go. BuySomeApples (talk) 19:34, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Venkat TL: Many thanks for this interesting article. It qualifies all parameters for DYK; could you please offer other ALTs? (as per your comment). Regards RV (talk) 17:07, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@RAJIVVASUDEV, Venkat TL, and BuySomeApples: given that the scope of this article is mostly focused on India (and the improbability of widening to a global perspective this late in the nom), I've changed the article title to match. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 07:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, this article was truly a delightful read. Something about stray cows really gets me in the funny bone :) I've suggested ALT1a, as well as ALTs 4–7. theleekycauldron (talk • contribs) (she/they) 08:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you theleekycauldron. I have added an alt 4a. As page creator, I approve all the ALTs. The reviewer can choose any of them. For all the DYK, I suggest we use "Stray cow" instead of cattle, because they are primarily cow, not sheep goat etc. Cow is holy, not cattle. Cow slaughter is banned, not cattle. Venkat TL (talk) 09:11, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Source of food

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Do the cows subsist mostly on garbage? Do people feed them? How long does a typical stray cow live? Thriley (talk) 18:28, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Thriley Indeed the primary food for these stray cows is edible stuff in the garbage such as vegetable leftovers and paper. Some lucky ones get access to the grass growing in public parks etc. Religious and Animal lovers are also known to feed them, but this is not significant. They die early due to plastic poisoning or starvation (when they are locked in confined places) I will try to include these in the article if I find a good source for these bits. Venkat TL (talk) 19:14, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Title

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I have reverted back undiscussed and controversial bold page move. The disambiguation India is unnecessary, as there is no other such article. Cattle is primarily cow and cow family (ox, bull, cow) The undiscussed move changes the scope of the article. Cow is holy, not cattle. Cow slaughter is banned, not cattle. --Venkat TL (talk) 14:05, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@SL93 Thanks for promoting the DYK. Can you please substitute the wikilink to say "that deadly attacks from stray cow in India have become an electoral issue?" As noted above, the issue and the problem is primarily about cow. Using cattle will be misleading to the readers even though it is not wrong to refer cow as cattle. Venkat TL (talk) 20:13, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Venkat TL I changed it to cows since the article isn't only about one cow. SL93 (talk) 22:30, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SL93 Yes, thanks. Venkat TL (talk) 07:58, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Worldview

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@Piledhighandeep please see WP:DRIVEBY. What is your concern? Venkat TL (talk) 19:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have flagged this article for its restricted viewpoint. The topic is interesting and worthwhile (very much so), but localized. Strays are an issue in other parts of the world, but the article is almost entirely restricted to India. Nevertheless, the title gives no hint of this restriction, nor does it appear in the first paragraph of the text. Either the article should be expanded, or the restriction to India should be made explicit. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 19:05, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Piledhigheranddeeper I am not aware of this being an issue anywhere outside India. I may not be properly informed of what is happening in the rest of the world so it is possible that I may have missed something. If you know someplace, point it out with refs instead of speculating. Nothing can be added based on assumptions and speculations. Unless a reliable source states it. Venkat TL (talk) 19:26, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Since the article is on the main page for few hours, I have removed the tag. I do not consider to be a major issue or insurmountable one. Without a source, I cant even agree if that is indeed an issue. I am open for more discussion, but we would need some refs first. Venkat TL (talk) 19:40, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, this article is titled "The Sheltering of Unwanted Cattle, Experiences in India and Implications for Cattle Industries Elsewhere", certainly implying that "unwanted cattle" are an issue "elsewhere" than India. There are dozens of references. I can find more later. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 21:58, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Disagree. The title of your link, itself makes it clear that it affects cattle industries elsewhere. Not cattle. This article is not about cattle industries. Venkat TL (talk) 09:18, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That article is actually about the sheltering of unwanted cattle. However, it seems that you will not countenance any other viewpoints or editors; WP:OWN. I am out of here. --Piledhigheranddeeper (talk) 22:10, 3 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Piledhigheranddeeper The article is discussing the sheltering of cattle in which country? Venkat TL (talk) 09:37, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Understandably, he did not answer, since the article he quoted is about Stray cows In India. Venkat TL (talk) 13:16, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 10 July 2024

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: moved. (closed by non-admin page mover) Bensci54 (talk) 16:12, 17 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Stray cow → Stray cattle in India – Contrary to the earlier discussion on this talk page, specifying "in India" seems like the correct level of WP:PRECISION in this case, to unambiguously define the topical scope of the article. As currently written this article is about the situation in India rather than the wider concept of stray cattle in general, and it seems enough of a standalone topic to remain so. Belbury (talk) 12:28, 10 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per nom and Huw
Kowal2701 (talk) 11:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Support per nomination and Huw. Urchincrawler (talk) 18:51, 15 July 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
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