Talk:Stones Gambling Hall cheating scandal

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Initial comments by page creator

The Mike Postle article is my first article on wikipedia. It clearly has issues. I'd like to salvage the article but don't know how.

Somebody please help. Pick me up! Maybe change the name to "Mike Postle Controversy?"

Having read some of the related articles in the past, I would agree that a better page name would be something like "Stones Gambling Hall cheating controversy". That page name would better meet notability standards (it is an important story) and allow an expanded discussion of the impact on the streaming poker industry. Zatsugaku (talk) 07:54, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Tiban250, Should you choose to rename the page to focus on the controversy rather than the person, below is some very quick content that you might want to edit/add to. I also suggest you consider adding Wikipedia:Further reading and/or Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Layout#"See_also"_section to links such as Cheating in poker and Online poker (different but related re technical cheating schemes). Also at the end of your Talk message, please type a space and then four tildes so that the page will automatically insert your username and the time. I apologize in advance for loading draft content here.

Renaming of page

I suggest that the page is not a biography and therefore should be renamed to "Stones Gambling Hall Poker Scandal," or to "Postlegate" which is how the scandal is known in the professional poker world and by in large in the media. Mike Postle rose to prominence due to his alleged cheating at poker which garnered national exposure, lawsuits, countersuits, and investigation by many of poker's most famous players and personalities. I posit that the page ought to be named after the sandal and not the person since it will deal mainly with the sandal, the scandal's investigation, ligation, fallout and aftermath.

On a side note, a February 2022 hearings is set to rule on the final outstanding legal matter; a confidential settlement agreement between the remaining litigating parties which should bring the nearly 2.5-year scandal to an end. It is time to tackle this Wikipedia page so that it might be nominated for "good article" status. It is currently sorely lacking. Thatsnotmyname2020 (talk) 11:29, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Technical threat to game play integrity

A premise of the charges against Postle was that he had somehow established a communications back channel from the system designed to show the cards to the streaming community. The cards were equipped with RFIDs Radio Frequency Identification (RFID) tags and ID readers were imbedded in the table. But because the broadcast was delayed, suspicions fell on either a technical means of intercepting signals or, more plausibly, a confederate in the Stones Gambling operations center who was transmitting the card information in real time. While Stones Manager Kuratis claimed his operation center was secure, former employees described security as being very lax. The Stones’ game play protocol allowed Postle to continue to hold his phone under the table, as well as not be checked for electronic devices. Brill, his accuser, claimed that photos of Postle show a small bulge under his baseball cap during play that was not evident when he was not playing.

Impact on the game

The accusations against Postle are notable in that they have triggered a much broader examination of potential cheating in streaming poker, and spurred calls to ban possession of electronic devices at the table. ^[1]

Let me know if you need any assistance. I'm rather new at this myself but will try. I expect much more experienced copyediting volunteers will be by shortly. Regards, Zatsugaku (talk) 08:21, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

^ Sofen, Jon. "(OPINION) Reality Check: Mike Postle Isn't the Only Player Cheating on Poker Live-Streams". Cardschat. Retrieved 5 October 2020.

Feedback from New Page Review process

I left the following feedback for the creator/future reviewers while reviewing this article: Thank you for this new article. Note that other editors have raised some important issues with the way it is written. For pointers, follow the links in the notice at the top of the page..

DOOMSDAYER520 | TALK | CONTRIBS 23:43, 20 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Smelly chicken wings

They got the sauce on the cards 67.61.131.55 (talk) 20:32, 2 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[1] Sofen, Jon. "(OPINION) Reality Check: Mike Postle Isn't the Only Player Cheating on Poker Live-Streams". Cardschat. Retrieved 5 October 2020.

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