Talk:Stockport County F.C.

Edits from 17-20 March

Point 1) As has already been mentioned, WP is not for advertising. 2) The edit made to the infobox greatly disrupts the appearance & is not neccessary at all, as are the other minor edits made. Changes are always welcome, but please keep them within the style of the page & within Wikipedia's guidelines. CharlieT (talk) 19:39, 20 March 2008 (UTC)

Slight overhaul

I've given the page a bit of an overhaul, in order to (hopefully) improve it's rating in the Quality Scale above, for the WikiProject Football. History has been moved to it's own page, with a short overview replacing it on the main page. Colours & Crest section added, but I've removed the Trivia section (see Wikipedia:Avoid trivia sections in articles), I'll be trying to add all the useful information that was in there to the main History article, and improve that further. And more references added, could probably do with more though. (I assume all that Rochdale squabbling is done, so removed that from the page aswell) CharlieT 22:05, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

History

I've added a few paragraphs on County's history in place of the 'Overview' section. Could someone add some bits on the Bergara/Wembley years & the pre-Begara years, before the Dave Jones bit? That was before my time I'm afraid so I'm not sure what to include. CharlieT 15:17, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

Found out who are chief scout was by doing a bit of snooping, hope you didnt mind me adding his name to your staff list JT

I think the Bergara era definitely deserves a proper section, and the 60s "Go Go Go County" era and the re-election years would probably round it out nicely.

I've just found a copy of "From the Nursery" so I'll try and get summaries of a couple more eras up soon.CharlieT 20:46, 11 January 2007 (UTC)

Added section about the Bergara years, as those were the years I spent watching County pretty much every week. Mattwhiteski 16:57, 12 January 2007 (UTC)

I'd hold off updating The Record section for a little while, I can see us making it 10 games at Barnet but Hartlepool will surely put at least one of the runs to an end!

External links

I've tidied it up & sorted the links into categories, and removed the HISC link as the site no longer appears to work. When doing external links, please bear in mind Wikipedia's not for advertising, there's plenty of other sites for that, and keep it simple. Cheers. CharlieT

Grammar

There's been a couple of reverts on this lately, so I'm not changing it myself without a bit of a discussion here. In my experience, the club is treated as a singular for the purposes of verb agreement (number), though the team is treated as a plural, even when the same noun is used for both. Hence "Stockport County is a football club" but "Stockport County are winning 3-0". Thoughts, contradictions? Js farrar 19:47, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

Spot on. That's exactly right. Mattwhiteski 11:55, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

That's consistent with other English football articles. --Dweller 16:05, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure, I'd always refer to both a club and a team as a plural, as both describe a group of individuals. To refer to either in the singular smacks of American English to me, but some other clubs' pages follow the method you have described.

Player notability

Tes Bramble - has someone been having a bit of a laugh? WP:WPF recommends a notable player as one who's played over 100 games, or is highly notable (i.e. George Best). Tes Bramble doesn't fall under any such category. CharlieT 14:32, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Merge proposed

Please see Nine wins without conceding a goal that I've rescued from speedy, renamed, flagged for merge and slightly enhanced (it's still pretty poor). Please post to my talk page if it's nonsense and needs speedying. --Dweller 16:04, 14 August 2007 (UTC)

It seems pretty daft to have a separate section for it tbh. It's a good record, but belongs in its own section on the club's page IMO. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.207.239.245 (talk) 10:59, 6 November 2007 (UTC)

Fans' reputation

What's this bit at the bottom about County fans' reputation preceding them and not showing away colours at EP? As far as I'm aware we have only a small group of Casuals and are good natured on the whole. The only crowd trouble I can recall has come as a direct result of away fans getting into the home stands. 217.207.239.245 (talk) 16:09, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Paul W (talk · contribs) 09:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

As a supporter of another Cheshire football club (and a contributor to its Wikipedia article), this article covers the subject to a good level of consistent detail (though the history is swayed towards recent years), though I think there are issues - mainly of style. For example:

• overlinking - the text links to other Wikipedia articles too frequently. Wikipedia:Manual_of_Style/Linking suggests linking the initial instance only, but the article repeats links to pages about managers (eg: Jim Gannon, Gary Ablett), other clubs, place names, etc
• occasional underlinking - conversely, links to the first mentions of some rival clubs and other articles are not included
• occasionally inappropriate use of figures for numbers under ten, eg: "Stockport County and Manchester City met 6 times between 1997–2002, with Stockport County winning 3 times"
• occasional use of ampersand instead of 'and', eg: " players & managers, both at home and away"
• the "Rivalries" section could usefully be broken up into shorter paragraphs
• there are still various "citation needed" notes

Paul W (talk) 09:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

As someone who also supports a team near Stockport I'd also like to contribute some ideas. Other issues I find which need fixing are:

• entire sections and subsections unreferenced
• several dead links
• references need to be formatted in the same way, some have been left as bare links, most of them are just titles.
• the use of a completely unsourced "notable" players section, which is noted as "to be avoided" in the WikiProject Football MOS for football teams
• the football team MOS also advises against the bolding of players that have played in internationals
• unreferenced "Top 10 managers of the club's history" section which seems to be original research, or the link underneath no longer contains the info in the table
• not sure about the use of "for further details" linking to outside sources, here. Surely these should either be External links or references and the "further details" should actually be in the article. Usually that kind of thing is reserved for internal linking

Del_♉sion23 (talk) 18:57, 23 February 2012 (UTC)

It appears a few things have been addressed, but not everything. This should be failed if the remaining points aren't addressed in the next day or two. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 03:17, 2 April 2012 (UTC)

Due to the remaining bare URLs and cite needed tags, I'm failing this. Wizardman _{Operation Big Bear} 04:59, 8 April 2012 (UTC)

Added a TO DO list

I have added a TO DO list to the talk page to help people with edits (so they know what needs editing/changing) in a hope that the article can get re assess for GA status in the future. wna247 (talk) 02:21, 13 April 2012 (UTC)

Updated To Do list

I have updated the To Do list and also given the page an overhaul. Will be adding more details relevant to topics when needed. e.g. when the new manager is announced. Wna247 (talk) 22:52, 8 September 2013 (UTC)

Lack of Several little Facts .

Although known by several followers, George Best played his last league game in division 4 wearing Stockport County number 10. Yet since His departure there is little written after 1970. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.9.131.22 (talk) 21:37, 16 February 2014 (UTC)

Update

History of Stockport County F.C. page references and some wording merged with the main [Stockport County F.C.] page. I feel like most of the entire History page is covered with the main article. Could History of Stockport County F.C. page be deleted??? Wna247 (talk) 16:20, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

Don't be silly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 31.205.122.198 (talk) 05:58, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Fact Checks

History of Stockport County F.C. page contains several dead links and all links that are good are already in the main Stockport County F.C page in the history section. I have added several more references and inks to the main page and also put it backup for good article nomination. If there is anything that still needs doing before this is a good article let me know and I will be happy to assist. Wna247 (talk) 19:10, 9 August 2015 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Casliber (talk · contribs) 14:31, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

I'll take a look at this and jot queries below: Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:31, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

• Every para needs at least one inline citation at a minimum. The Rivalries section needs a bunch of references. Sentences at the ends of paras are lacking refs in some places.

• Combine paras of 1-2 sentences where possible.

• Refs of news reports often have authors, which should be added.

• Stockport were the first winners of the Third Division North, taking their first official Football League championship in the process - this sentence is redundant I think as it refers to the same set of circumstances in the following segment..?

• The current Main Stand, which still stands today, "which still stands today" is redundant as "current" signifies this.

• Stockport finished 22nd out of 22 in the Secondary Division and were relegated to Division 3 (North) after only earning 31 points. - this is the season following the snentece before, right? - also "secondary"?

• I wonder if the article suffers a little too much recentism. It still has some room for expansion so some more material on early days - e.g. key players in 1921-22, or 28-30 periods, date and locale for the 13–0 win over Halifax Town (did anyone score more than 3 goals in that match??)

• The 2015 Group was approved by the Football League at their May 2010 meeting, and it was announced on 17 June 2010 that the takeover of Stockport County was completed by the Group at a press conference held at 11:00 p.m. the same day. - this sentence is long and unwieldy. I'd split after "meeting", using a semicolon - and trim the latter to something like "On 17 June 2010 at an 11PM press conference, the takeover of Stockport County by the Group was announced" or somesuch

• Possibly worth mentioning in Rivalries that they are playing in the same league as FC United in 2015-16? my bad for missing that one.

• A link to Re-election (Football League) somewhere?

• From my limited knowledge, the rivalries can be tricky to source...which does beg the question if a particular one is notable if no sources can be found to support it. Good luck anyway....

NB: In case you think I'm being too finicky, I always try to give GA noms a big as shove as possible towards FAC, which I think this would have a fair chance of passing. Once the GAN is over I will ask some folks for a look-over the prose.

More later. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 14:31, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

1. Well written?:

Prose quality:

Manual of Style compliance:

2. Factually accurate and verifiable?:

References to sources:

Citations to reliable sources, where required:

No original research:

3. Broad in coverage?:

Major aspects:

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4. Reflects a neutral point of view?:

Fair representation without bias:

5. Reasonably stable?

No edit wars, etc. (Vandalism does not count against GA):

6. Illustrated by images, when possible and appropriate?:

Images are copyright tagged, and non-free images have fair use rationales:

Images are provided where possible and appropriate, with suitable captions:

Overall:

Pass or Fail: - great, well done. the prose is engaging. the only ref not added is for the sentence of Stockport's current stablemates in the Rivalries section, which is pretty obvious. I can ask a couple of folks to look at the prose for possible readiness for FAC as I think it has a fair chance of passing. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 03:33, 1 September 2015 (UTC)

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Highest League Finish

Hi, I added the Highest League Finish but without links. Can anyone please assist with the needed links for my addition? KobiNew (talk) 13:08, 16 January 2021 (UTC)

This was done. Paul W (talk) 12:10, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Fan base

Does County have an official fan club in South Devon ? 2A02:C7F:2C3A:F300:C57B:B680:AB47:D599 (talk) 17:47, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Contradiction in etymology

This article contradicts the Stockport one, as it claims the name of the town is derived from the De Stokeport family but that article claims it originally meant a hamlet with a market. Which one is correct? Overlordnat1 (talk) 12:01, 4 June 2023 (UTC)