Talk:Steven Gerrard/Archive 3

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Goal count

I don't believe thathe has scored only 50 goals in his entire liverpool career, he has scored 10 in his last 11 matches! He has also scored 23 goals in the champions league, i can't imagine how many he has scored in the premier league. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.4.227.114 (talk) 21:49, 15 December 2007 (UTC)

Exactly. On official www.liverpoolfc.tv Gerrard is shown as having scored 96 goals!!! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.0.243.205 (talk) 13:58, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

Can anyone update the fact that he's scored 99 goals, he scored 2 today against Marseille. He's only scored 50 something goals in the Premier League, that's what they show in the little parentheses. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Brwah (talk • contribs) 02:51, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

I've updated the stat section to reflect his appearances and goals this season. The infobox is still correct, as it's only meant to show league stats, which is the project policy for a host of reasons. --Mosmof (talk) 04:21, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Personal life

It says that Gerrard's car accident was in a BMW, this is incorrect as Gerrard was driving a Bentley at the time. Can this please be edited as soon as possible Steven8gerrard (talk) 03:12, 22 February 2008 (UTC)

Steven Gerrard is also known to be called stevie g ♥ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.109.210.104 (talk) 16:51, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Another one for the Personal life section? Fixer 'kept gangster off Gerrard' --Jameboy (talk) 22:03, 10 April 2008 (UTC)

fan of

I am an Everton fan but Gerrards details say he was an Everton fan as a boy this is surely untrue he is a diehard red? Dmcm2008 (talk) 18:24, 23 April 2008 (UTC)

This Page is Incorrect

Steven Gerrard Has Been A Liverpool Supporter All His Life And Was Not A Everton Supporter At Any Point In His 27 Years Of Life Please Correct This As It Is Embarresing. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.242.204.112 (talk) 03:12, 25 April 2008 (UTC)

No. This is just some of the crap the Blue side of Liverpool like to make up. His mother was a blue, his father a red. He supported both as a child until joining Liverpool youth. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.36.253.99 (talk) 14:50, 27 April 2008 (UTC)

Reading Gerrard's autobiography I am forced to believe that he has been a Liverpool supporter all of his life. Both his mother and father were Reds, and the picture which forces many Evertonians to believe he supported them(Gerrard sporting Everton's strip for that season)was forced upon by his uncle, something which his father frowned upon, and Gerrard had worn it because 'it looked good, with the exception of the Everton crest on the left breast'. Paul —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.42.76.56 (talk) 18:17, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

Navboxes

As agreed here there was to movement on the navboxes, however the edit in this article does not follow the principle agreed. I have set it as prior to the lumping together.Londo06 11:45, 4 July 2008 (UTC)

Gerrard 8

When did Gerrard start wearing number 8 at Liverpool? I remember he start his career by wearing number 17... Raymond "Giggs" Ko 05:47, 25 July 2008 (UTC)

He actually started wearing 28, then 17, and then 8. If I'm not mistaken, he wore 8 during the 2004-05 Champions League winning season. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.2.230.156 (talk) 22:57, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Citations

I've just finished a whole clean up of the article but much citation is needed. There are "fact"s and "who"s all over the place yet they signify not the sole unreferenced material. It should be easy as there are a million and one news articles on Gerrard to back things up. I'll also look to add some in the future myself. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 19:05, 30 July 2008 (UTC)

Youth years contradiction

In the early career section, it says "He was noticed by Liverpool's scouts aged just eight years old, and joined the Reds as a schoolboy in 1987". Since he was born in 1980, when he was eight, it would have been 1988 or 1989, while he would have been just six or seven in 1987. What is the correct year? --Mosmof (talk) 21:43, 7 August 2008 (UTC)

I previously removed a reference that backed up that statement (link) - strange because it's contradictory to the source and the wiki article too obviously. Think this was tampered with a long time ago. Anyone who owns Gerrard the autobiography should be able to iron out those kinks. Not sure what to do about it now - i'll have a quick look for sources. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:44, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Sorted. Still much work to be done on this article though! Sillyfolkboy (talk) 23:53, 8 August 2008 (UTC)

Transfer speculation section, using his autobiography

I've removed the transfer speculation section, and integrated the content re: 2004 and 2005 off-seasons to the relevant chronological sections. It didn't seem appropriate to have an entire section dedicated to rumors and things that never happened and hasn't really been a story for 3 years.

Also, it seems this article relies a lot on his autobiography. While I don't think of Gerrard as particularly untrustworthy (insert Scouse joke here), but we still want to avoid using primary, non-independent sources. Anything beyond his childhood and career, we should be able to back up with more reliable sources. --Mosmof (talk) 05:52, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

Gerrard's height

OK, over the last few days (weeks/months?) there've been a number of edits and reversions of Gerrard's height. I'm pretty sure this is caused by the variety of information in the sources:

• The club profile: 6'0,
• BBC sport: 1.85m (6ft, nearly 6'1"),
• Football-lineups.com: 1.83m (6ft)
• Soccerbase: 6ft
• Sky Sports: 1.83 (6ft)
• Carling: 6'2"
• Football database: 6'2"

So, the majority have 6 foot, but 2 notable and reliable, have 6'2. I suspect that the LFC and BBC ones are based on data when he was younger and breaking through. Back then he had lots of injuries that were put down to his growing. I personally think he looks taller than 6ft, but I'm not sure, I've (sadly) never stood next to him.

Essentially the question is, which should we agree on. I think we need to agree a consensus here as there is this variety in the data available from reliable sources. Thoughts? --Ged UK (talk) 08:42, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well wikipedia's policy is verifiability - not the truth. There's little reason to favour the Carling and Football Database over the other sources other than the fact that we think the other sources are wrong. My main concern is where the other sites got their information in the first place. The LFC.tv info may be out of date but I would guess reporters don't go around measuring players but use insider journalist profiles. I'd stick with 6ft even though I think it's wrong as there's no reason to believe the others haven't just done an "educated guess" at his height now. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 10:56, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

Well, the verifiability angle is almost the problem, when two what I would call reliable sources disagree with a load of other reliable sources! It's a conundrum, but I'd tend to agree with you, if only because 5 sites say he's 6 foot, and only two say he's taller. I'll have a look on the footy project to see if they've dealt with a similar circumstace. --Ged UK (talk) 11:06, 28 August 2008 (UTC)

PFA Young Player of the Year 2000/2001

Why does this have "citation needed" written next to it? It's a fact that is easily verifiable, and he is listed as the winner for that season on Wiki's own page about the award. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.138.238.2 (talk) 10:44, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

No idea. I'll try and find a link on the PFA website. --Ged UK (talk) 13:04, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done I couldn't actually see a fact tag, but I've cited it anyway. --Ged UK (talk) 13:20, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Use of The Treble

liverpool did not win the treble in 2001. 'the treble' means to win 3 top tier competitions in one year - of which the League Cup and UEFA cup are not. to describe Gerrard as a treble winning player and 2001 as a treble winning season is not correct and an insult to those (from PSV, Ajax, Glasgow Celtic and Manchester United) who actually did win the treble (or quadruple in celtic's case). this is routinely removed from The Treble page and so should be here. surely 'UEFA and domestic cup success' in no way denigrates liverpool's considerble acheivement in 2001? Jw2034 (talk) 19:28, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

If you insist on me reading that article I can see in the first line the word "generally". Zacitty (talk) 19:30, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

thanks for pointing out an error in the article. point still stands. Jw2034 (talk) 19:33, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Have you noticed that the sub-section heading reads "treble", not the Treble? The quotes around the word implies that this was an unconventional treble, and not one that is of the classical variety. --Mosmof (talk) 19:37, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

the quotation marks imply that it is not the treble and editors know it, which supports my original arguement. i would argue the term is there purely to antagonise and that without context, just in a title heading, it could mislead casual readers that Gerrard is a Treble-winning player, which he is not. 2001 was a great success and i'm not looking to play down l'pool or gerrard's acheivements. Jw2034 (talk) 19:42, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

removing the title headings certainly removes some POV problems - is a season by season, blow by blow account now required? Jw2034 (talk) 20:10, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Is a season by season account, titled whichever way, ever required? --Ged UK (talk) 20:54, 3 October 2008 (UTC)

Number of Goals

I think the number of goals for Liverpool needs updating. Gerrard has now scored 100.193.195.195.108 (talk) 08:12, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

The infobox is for league goals and appearances only. --Ged UK (talk) 09:08, 14 October 2008 (UTC)

Speeling Error on International Career

Toward the end, it says, 'Wen Fabio Cappallo' it is supposed to be 'When'.

Just a spelling error, but please fix it! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkkmy (talk • contribs) 21:19, 21 October 2008 (UTC)

 Done and please accept my apologies for my atrocious spelling in that sentence! --Ged UK (talk) 07:58, 22 October 2008 (UTC)

Implication of Word Choice

The opening paragraph states, "Gerrard, who has spent his entire career at Anfield, won his first UEFA Champions League in 2005 following Liverpool's comeback in the final."

The use of the word "first" implies that he has won more than one. He has not. Unless this is the Predictapedia, the word should be changed. One option is to use 'only' although that too sounds prejudicial. I think it would be best for that entire sentence be rewritten and I would be glad to do so but we're still in lockdown. Gklinger 21:36, 6 November 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gklinger (talk • contribs)

 Done --Ged UK (talk) 21:43, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

 Done and  Done, and when I say done I mean done. Sillyfolkboy (talk) 21:50, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Controversy

Shouldnt there be a section about him accusing other players of unsportsmanlike conduct, and a further reference to his inability to maintain balance inside the opponents penalty area ? 193.75.53.61 (talk) 04:52, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Has his accusations received significant coverage? Or his alleged tendency to go down easily? --Mosmof (talk) 06:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, the second one has, I would say. There was an edit that added it in the last few days, but it got taken out again. It did feel rather biasedly (is that a word?) written, but the cites seemed sound on first glance. --Ged UK (talk) 08:35, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

I guess the discussion starter is trying to connect Gerrard's criticism of other players' diving with his own tendency to go down, and accuse him of hypocrisy. But if more than one commentator makes that point, then I suppose it should be in. --Mosmof (talk) 18:26, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Well, obviously it's not for us to draw that conclusion. I'm not sure exactly what comments Gerrard has made about other players, but I think we ought to include criticism of his 'diving'. --Ged UK (talk) 20:34, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Goals?

Should someone update his goal tally, it says its last been updated Oct 5, hes scored a lot more since then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.39.151.0 (talk) 18:34, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the total is right, i'll check shortly. Bear in mind it's league only. I think the data hasn't been updated, which isn't uncommon. --Ged UK (talk) 19:15, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

It only says October for internationals, which is right I think. The rest is right. --Ged UK (talk) 19:23, 28 December 2008 (UTC)

Neville marries Carrick?

That's how the article reads now. LaidOff (talk) 17:28, 29 December 2008 (UTC)

I think the "weddings of..." preceding Neville and Carrick clearly indicate that there were multiple weddings, hence they did not marry each other. So I don't see a problem with it, but how would you re-write it if this was a problem? --Mosmof (talk) 18:06, 29 December 2008 (UTC)