Talk:Staurakios

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Death Date

Seems an awfully big coincidence that Michael I Rangabe AND his predecessor Staurakios both died on January 11...possibly an error? Clippership (talk) 15:02, 7 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Coronation

Why was he crowned at Adrianople if he was already co-emperor with his father?

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Reviewer: CPA-5 (talk · contribs) 14:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Claim my seat here. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 14:35, 15 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

seized the throne of the Byzantine Empire Link Byzantine Empire.
Done
I see a lot of "howevers" for this short article.
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to Nikephoros I and Procopia.[1][2][3] [4] Remove the extra space.
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such as the Abbasid Caliph Harun al-Rashid --> "such as the Abbasid caliph Harun al-Rashid"
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had been sent by the Bulgarian Khan Krum to relieve the city --> "had been sent by the Bulgarian khan Krum to relieve the city"
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I see a some English differences like the words "travelled, judgement and rumors".
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and officials of the Byzantine empire behind Michael --> "and officials of the Byzantine Empire behind Michael"
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Maybe try to split the body into numerous sections or subsections?
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from 26 July to 2 October 811. He was born some time after 778 Merge "some times".
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likely due to the fact that Stephanos was the first to proclaim Staurakios Replace "due to the fact that" with "because".
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No edit war.

Infobox

Little error with his death date.

Images

No date of the upload in the File:Solidus-Stauracius.jpg image?
Done

Sources

No OR.
No location for Lawler's book?
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Error in the Lilie, Ralph-Johannes; Ludwig, Claudia; Pratsch, Thomas; Zielke, Beate's source. Also please translate its title.
Partially done; there is not a way within the template to translate the name, but I have added the title.
No location for Bury's books?
Done
All sources are reliable and academic.

That's anything from me. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 11:01, 18 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CPA-5: Believe I have done all you ask. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:14, 11 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@CPA-5: Repinging. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 14:09, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges: Oh sorry I forgot this one. I think it is ready but could you standarise the MM/DD/YYYY to DD/MM/YYYY in the infobox. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 09:39, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@CPA-5: Done. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 18:20, 31 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

@Iazyges: Another thing here before I'll close it. The lead says he was born "after 778" but the infobox specified he was born in early 790s which one is correct? Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 17:30, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@Iazyges: Done. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 02:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
@CPA-5: Re-pinging. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 09:04, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Wow crikey! I tottally forgot this one I was so busy in the last few days and I think I can pass it. Cheers. CPA-5 (talk) 20:23, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Where was he buried?

The article lists his place of burial as "Monastery of Braka". The relevant passage from ^39 reads

```The unfortunate Stauracius ^ lived on for more than three months, but towaras the end of that time the corruption of his wound became so horrible that no one could approach him for the stench. On the 11th of January 812 he died, and was buried in the new monastery of Braka. This was a handsome building, given to Theophano by the generosity of Procopia when she resolved, like her husband, to I'etire to a y cloister.'```

From http://www.pbe.kcl.ac.uk/data/D70/F35.htm :

```After the proclamation of Michael I (Michael 7) as emperor (2 October 811), he took the tonsure and assumed the dress of a monk; he died on 11 January 812 (indiction 5), after a nominal reign (τὸ δοκεῖν) of two months six days, and was buried in a monastery founded after their overthrow by his wife Theophano 1, called Ta Hebraïka, in Constantinople; Theoph. AM 6304, Zon. XV 16. 3, 17. 5-7 (according to Zonaras, the monastery was originally named after Staurakios; this was popularly corrupted to Braka, which in turn was changed by learned scholars to Hebraïka).``` In Greek, Ta Hebraïka translates roughly to "of/belonging to the Jews/Hebrews."

A source (Adelbert Davids, The Empress Theophano (1995)) mentioned in the article for his wife, Theophanos of Athens, reads:

```"Theophano (1). Staurakios, son of the emperor Nikephoros I (802-11), married a Theophano from Athens, a relative of the iconophile empress Irene ({802). Theophanes narrates that she was chosen as a bride for Staurakios at a bride-show and was consequently separated from her fiancé. At the wedding in 807 Staurakios behaved badly with two other girls from the com- petition. When his father was killed in 811 in pursuit of the Bulgarian khan Krum, Staurakios was heavily wounded, but was brought back to Constantinople, where he tried, together with Theophano, to save the throne. Theophano, who was childless, was to become empress, like the widowed Irene before her. After the revolt and the crowning of Staurakios’ brother-in-law Michael Rangabe in 811, Staurakios and Theophano both took the monastic habit. Theophano was given a monastery, called “Ta Hebraika’ by Theophanes, where Staurakios, who died soon afterwards, was buried. Constantine VII Porphyrogennetos knew of a tomb of white marble containing the remains of Staurakios and Theophano in the chapel of the Prodromos in the monastery of the Holy Trinity, called ‘Ta Staurakiou’.“ ```

"La géographie ecclésiastique de l'Empire byzantin" is referenced in the footnotes for the alternative names of the tomb, but the book does not appear to have been digitized. "Ta Staurakiou" appears to be the name mentioned by Zonaras.

https://d-nb.info/1197838392/34 lists a monastery to Staurakiou amongst a number of suburban monasteries in Constantinople attributed to

```Du Cange, F., Seu Descriptio urbis sub Imperatoribus Christianis oum fiburis templi S. Sophiae et aliis accedunt additamenta ad eamdem Constantinopolim Christianam Itemque de hebdomo Constantinopolitano Disquisito Topographica ubri quatuor (Venedig, 1680, 1729).```

which also hasn't been digitized on account of being 350 years old.

A potential location might be the Monastery of Hagia Triada (Holy Trinity) on the island of Heybeliada/Halki off the coast of Istanbul:

```The earliest reference to a monastery on Halki is in the writings of St. Theodore of Studius early in the ninth century. Theodore, abbot of Constantinople’s famous monastery of St. John of Studius, was exiled to a monastery on Halki by Leo V (r. 813-20) because of his criticism of the emperor’s iconoclastic policy. While on Halki, Theodore wrote a number of letters, theological treatises, and poems, one of which was addressed fondly to the monastic cell in which he was confined. The monastery of the Holy Trinity was restored by the patriarch Photius I (r. 858-67, 877-86), who was twice exiled there, first between his two terms as patriarch and then in the years 887-90. Photius died in the monastery in 890 and was buried there; he was subsequently canonized and is today revered as the patron saint of the Theological School of the Holy Trinity.```

This date lines up very closely with the death of Staurakios (c. 811), but that might just be a coincidence. His successor Michael I was also exiled to one of the Princes' Islands, Yassıada/Plate/Plati; it would make sense for Staurakious to have been on Halki. Either way, I think some sort of change to the place of burial needs to be made to have it align with the passage in Theophanos' article. Aachenshinto (talk) 03:49, 17 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Unlimitedlead: : I noticed your update of his burial place - did you take a look at this before editing? Aachenshinto (talk) 23:18, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Aachenshinto Oh, I did not. Apologies: please correct any errors I may have made. Unlimitedlead (talk) 00:04, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]