Talk:Stars at Noon (2022 film)

Lead consensus

Hi @Nyxaros! I believe I understand your reasoning. But it leads me to believe that virtually all consensus blurbs across Wikipedia would then be guilty of WP:SYNTH. For example, how would you assess the consensus at Don't Look Up or more obviously at Fall (2022 film). More often, I find consensus statements on album articles. For example, Future Nostalgia or Hit Me Hard and Soft. Or even The Tortured Poets Department. All these articles would appear to contain synthesis because they are not citing a journalistic source that repeats the substance of critics' reviews. Would I be correct in amending them accordingly? Οἶδα (talk) 06:23, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hey, I've not checked the album articles you mentioned and barely glanced at Don't Look Up, which includes statements such as "critics were displeased by the light tone" and multiple reviews describing it as a smug satire so it can be properly summarized without a synthesis. But as you mentioned, the text of Fall (2022 film) was completely unsourced, which is why I removed it. If you find more examples, you can remove or change the info accordingly. ภץאคгöร 11:46, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for the response! I'm a little confused. The article does include some sourced commentary on the reviews, and I guess the Slavoj Zizek quote could be stretched to support the statement "critics were divided on the merits of McKay's satire; some found it deft, while others criticized it as smug and heavy-handed" but the beginning still reads as synthesis under that reasoning. Otherwise, what is the issue with the following consensus:

The film received generally positive reviews from critics, who praised Denis' direction and Qualley's performance, although some criticized the pacing and lack of romantic chemistry between the leads.

Is it only the beginning part (generally positive reviews from critics)? Or is it the wording "who" that suggests critics "praised Denis' direction and Qualley's performance". Would this be synthesis?

Some critics praised Denis' direction and Qualley's performance, although some criticized the pacing and lack of romantic chemistry between the leads.

Οἶδα (talk) 23:01, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Regarding this article, I don't see any reviews/reports praising Denis's direction, but there are a few praises for Qualley with little criticism (sometimes callow, miscast). The criticisms of pacing seem to stand out the most, so this could be developed more easily and summarized in the lead. I've just added references stating the mixed reception. ภץאคгöร 17:20, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Yes, you appear to be correct about the direction part. Ronherry changed that part of my original consensus and I failed to correct it. I added more quotes to support my original consensus. Is this appropriate?

The film was selected to compete for the Palme d'Or at the 2022 Cannes Film Festival, where it premiered to mixed reviews and won the Grand Prix. Critics praised the dialogue and Qualley's performance but criticized the film's pacing, Alwyn's performance, and the chemistry between Qualley and Alwyn.

Οἶδα (talk) 22:47, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

More or less. I would make sure to find more sources. The important thing is to show that the point we are talking about comes from several reliable sources, not just one source. Otherwise, it may also involve WP:UNDUE. It requires a little more attention to find common ground among the reviews of productions with such a mixed reception. ภץאคгöร 17:46, 9 July 2024 (UTC)

I will be sure to do that. Thank you for the advice as always, Nyxaros! Οἶδα (talk) 19:42, 9 July 2024 (UTC)