Talk:St Clears
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Origin of name
[edit]Presumably the town is named after a saint, but which? Saint Clare of Assisi, Saint Clare of Montefalco, or another saint? The parish church is dedicated to St Mary Magdalene. Verbcatcher (talk) 13:37, 16 April 2015 (UTC)
- Coflein refers to the parish church as "ST MARY MAGDALENE'S;ST CLARA'S CHURCH, ST CLEARS", but gives no further reference to St Clara. (St Clara redirects to Clare of Assisi.) This article records a dedication to St Clari or St Clorus. Was this a Celtic saint? This is interesting, but nowhere near a citable derivation for the place name.Verbcatcher (talk) 00:22, 17 April 2015 (UTC)
- The Castles of Wales website says "Beside the church (of St. Clears) is the mount of the castle of St. Cleare, Norman knight", attributing this as a quotation from D.F. Renn Lockley. This site is self-published and not an acceptable source. "D.F. Renn Lockley" might be a reliable source, but I have not traced it. This is supported by another blog that says "One of the gens built the Castle of St.Clare in Wales anterior to 1189" referring to the St. Clair family. There could alternatively be a connection to the de Clare family, which had connections with Pembroke. Verbcatcher (talk) 17:57, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- I think that St Clears is merely an Anglicisation of the Cymraeg Sanclêr. Notifying Sigehelmus (talk · contribs), because they placed the tag. --Redrose64 🌹 (talk) 20:01, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- I agree, but what is the origin of Sanclêr? Sant is the Welsh for saint, which leads to the assumption that the town is named after a saint, particularly as there was a medieval priory here. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
- The listed building report for the church mentions the the Norman St Clare family. A Topographical Dictionary of Wales (London, 1849), pp. 241-248 has a couple of suggestions - either an church founder in the 5th/6th century (Clara), or an assembly of the Welsh bards (Clair - in Welsh). EdwardUK (talk) 00:49, 31 March 2023 (UTC)
- I agree, but what is the origin of Sanclêr? Sant is the Welsh for saint, which leads to the assumption that the town is named after a saint, particularly as there was a medieval priory here. Verbcatcher (talk) 21:04, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
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- The archive has the correct page. It doesn't confirm all the facts in the paragraph, but the other cited source presumably confirms the other facts. Verbcatcher (talk) 16:28, 7 January 2016 (UTC)
three of the links are still dead it seems (3, 5 & 7)